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[bazzy_51]

12-Team keeper league on ESPN. Head-to-Head Points Based system.
Pick your top 4 keepers from my roster.

Start: C 1B 2B SS 3B LF CF RF UTIL(1); SP(5) RP(3)

Scoring System:
Batters:
Singles (1B) 1
Doubles (2B) 1.5
Triples (3B) 2
Home Runs (HR) 4
Walks (BB) 1
Runs Scored (R) 2
Runs Batted In (RBI) 2
Stolen Bases (SB) 2
Strikeouts (K) -1
Caught Stealing (CS) -1
Ground into Double Plays (GIDP) -2
Hitting for the Cycle (CYC) 10
Grand Slam Home Runs (GSHR) 4

Pitchers:
Innings Pitched (IP) 3
Earned Runs (ER) -2
Wins (W) 12
Losses (L) -6
Saves (SV) 8
Blown Saves (BS) -4
Strikeouts (K) 2
Hits Allowed (H) -1.5
Walks Issued (BB) -1.5
Hit Batsmen (HB) -1.5
Home Runs Allowed (HR) -1.5
Wild Pitches (WP) -1
Holds (HD) 4
No Hitters (NH) 10
Perfect Games (PG) 15

My Roster with last years total Points in bold:
C Bengie Molina, SF C 384.5
1B Russell Branyan, Cle 1B 397.5
2B Orlando Hudson, Min 2B 434.5
3B David Wright, NYM 3B 483.5 ** Potential Keeper
SS Derek Jeter, NYY SS 627.5 ** Potential Keeper
LF Juan Pierre, CWS LF 343
CF Carlos Beltran, NYM CF 345 ** Potential Keeper (injury woes)
RF Kosuke Fukudome, ChC CF, RF 405
UTIL Aaron Hill, Tor 2B 663.5 ** Potential Keeper
Bench Andre Ethier, LAD RF 601 ** Potential Keeper
Bench James Loney, LAD 1B 522.5
Bench Daniel Murphy, NYM 1B, LF 389
Bench Willy Taveras, Was CF 249.5
Bench Mike Lowell, Bos 3B 380.5
Bench Ian Kinsler, Tex 2B 661 ** Potential Keeper


SP Cole Hamels, Phi SP 367 ** Potential Keeper
SP Dan Haren, Ari SP 677.5 ** Potential Keeper
SP Jon Lester, Bos SP 622.5 ** Potential Keeper
SP Gil Meche, KC SP 103
SP Tim Wakefield, Bos SP 185.5
RP Brad Lidge, Phi RP 177
RP Kiko Calero, NYM RP 228
RP Jason Frasor, Tor RP 311.5
Bench John Maine, NYM SP 141.5

I'm going back an forth on wether to keeper 3 Bats and 1 Arm or going 2 Bats and 2 Arms... My first thoughts were to go David Wright, Ian Kinsler, Dan Haren and Jon Lester because of having to start 5 SP and 3 RP, but now having second thoughts. Please help!!

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[bazzy_51]

Forgot to mention I also have a couple deals proposed TO me, tho I don't think either is worth it:

1. I Give:
Jon Lester
3rd Round Pick
11th Round Pick

I Get:
Carl Crawford
Justin Verlander

2. I give:
3rd Round Pick

I Get:
Jason Bay

They look pretty sweet in most formats, but in this one we only keep 4 players year to year and I already have a tough enough choice in keepers...

[DigitalFool]

For sure Wright, Kinsler and Haren - then I'd probably flip a coin between Lester and Jeter. I suppose it depends on who you suspect will be available at 5. I'd give a slight edge to Lester.

[The Artful Dodger]

Top 4 keepers are Wright, Kinsler, Haren, and Lester. In a H2H league, Haren's value takes a bit of a dip because of his tendency to dip in the second half, despite the high point total. Given the settings, they are still slanted towards pitching and you really want innings eaters (3 points an inning) that figure to be in line for wins because they pitch deeper in ballgames.

As far as the trades go, the only deal that looks really good is the Crawford/Verlander deal. The problem is, having two aces gives you a nice advantage heading into the draft, which makes Haren and Verlander givens, but that also means you have to oust one of your top hitters (in this case, I'll say Kinsler). FWIW, I like Verlander a teensy bit more than Lester.

Another thing you want to consider is you're giving away Hamels, who I'm pretty sure will bounce back and you might have a shot at recovering in the draft. It all depends on what SP you figure are going to be there in the draft. If the likes of Ubaldo, Peavy, Billingsley, and Kershaw are being thrown back and you have a good shot at getting either, I'd consider keeping three bats and Haren, whether you make the trade or not (Jeter if you say no, Crawford if you say yes to the deal).

[jcook3127]

I think you had it right with your initial thoughts...

First off, don't take that first trade as you're right..its fools gold...the picks are more valuable especially when taking in Crawford means you have to essentially dump Kinsler and you still lose two picks...not worth it..

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As for your roster, Wright, Kinsler, Haren really are locks.....Ethier/Tran/Jeter are nice but I think I'd rather have Lester...Jeter/Tran are on the downside of their careers...Tran cant' stay healthy, Jeter's not stealing 30 again...or hitting 18 HRs for that matter....and Ethier while very dependable is probably just not good enough

Lester's still really young, looks to have all his health problems behind him...became even more dominant in some ways last year, K'ing more than one an inning...I don't think keeping 2/2 is a league set up move...I just think those are your four best options regardless

[thejusman1]

I like Wright/Kinsler and Lester/Haren here without a doubt.

[Bonger]

I like Wright/Kinsler and Lester/Haren here without a doubt.

No doubt. I agree 100% with no reservations.

[raiders_umpire]

I like Wright/Kinsler and Lester/Haren here without a doubt.

The Verlander/Crawford trade is tempting, but that 3rd round pick is a bit valuable in a 12 team league where only 4 are kept.

[reblaze369]

I like Wright/Kinsler and Lester/Haren here without a doubt.

I agree and the fact is for position scarcity alone, wright and kinsler have to be kept and Lester/Haren are top arms. Swapping Jeter for lester is tempting, but Jeter is getting up in age and I feel he can only regress from the season he had last year.

[HOOTIE]

Your 4 pretty easily