Ubaldo...or Carpenter? Now and future...WHIR!!!!

[pre1322]

EDIT: The new offer on the table is Carpenter and Bailey for Jimenez and Broxton.

…and in the future too? I have been back and forth between them in the rankings all year, and now have a straight up trade offer on the table in a keeper league (I have Carp). On one hand, Carp will win more games (likely) and likely have better ratios. However, the ever-present injury risk is now being accompanied by age and a declining K-rate. Ubaldo is younger and will give me the strikeouts, but as good as he’s been, he still pitches in Coors, so his win potential and ratio upside may not be where Carp’s is. What’s the verdict? Who’s in front on your rankings? Who should I be taking? Here’s my team if it provides some more insight (12 team H2H keeper, 6x6 w/ HLDs and OPS). I’m a little worried about my K potential here…:

C: Miguel Montero
1B: Mark Teixeira
2B: Ian Kinsler
3B: Pablo Sandoval
SS: Jimmy Rollins
OF: Jason Bay
OF: Adam Dunn
OF: Nelson Cruz
UTIL: Joey Votto

SP: Adam Wainwright
SP: Chris Carpenter
SP: Chad Billingsley
RP: Andrew Bailey
RP: Chad Qualls
P: Matt Thornton
P: Still Empty

BN: Carlos Gonzalez
BN: Erik Bedard (going to stash on DL to call up Brett Anderson)
BN: Ryan Dempster
BN: Mark Buehrle
BN: Joel Pineiro
BN: Still Empty, dropping to call up Julio Borbon anyways

Prospects:
Stephen Strasburg
Brett Anderson
Julio Borbon
Brett Lawrie
Ryan Westmoreland

[MTUCache]

Holy crap... that's your team in a 12-team league? I saw your offense and figured it must be an 8 team league.

Damn, this team is stacked everywhere but RP.
Don't see a single player on your offense who's going far outside the top 100 in ADP.

As for Ubaldo/Carp... I like Ubaldo for future, but I like Carp for this year.
I wouldn't but any thought into Coors or no-Coors, I'd be more worried about run-support, which Carp will have in spades over the Rockes.

[The Big Train]

Not that I doubt he is talented, but I would prefer to see another year from Ubaldo before dealing someone like Carp for him. See what other offers you might get for Carp if you want to trade him. In any case, your team looks like it could win so I would keep Carp and play to win.

[pre1322]

A good team has to give somewhere haha, my spot is RP...a few good trades...drafted Pablo and Carp late last year and kept them, and made some savvy FA moves I thought.

Another option is to trade Billingsley for Ubaldo. I'm just worried I may be overly high on Ubaldo this year haha.

As well...I floated Carp all over and Ubaldo was the best offer, to answer that question.

[jonance]

yeah, i think Carpenter is the more reliable one of the bunch, even with the injury a couple of years ago. Jiminez finally had a breakthrough year, but so did Oliver Perez many years ago...and then he reverted back to being wild and inconsitent.

[SonsofSlam04]

Ubaldo has awesome upside....keeps getting better ..Carpenter will go down this year ...he is due!

Please answer my post

[sox 06]

I would probably rank Ubaldo slightly ahead of Carpenter. I like Carpenter a lot, but with his injuries the past couple of seasons and with him growing older, I would take the upside of the younger Ubaldo. Thanks for your help with mine.

[Therobsclub]

Don't do the deal....I need to see more out of Ubaldo...sure he has a lot of upside, but not the upside of being the best pitcher in the game and when Carp is healthy he IS the best pitcher in the game. Last year he was perfectly healthy throwing wise. Only time on DL was because he pulled something while hitting the ball. He will be fine next year. Don't listen to all the Hoopla that he is due to get hurt...shit I'm due to win a million dollars this year. Stay put with Carp and reap the benefits.

Help?

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[Jarcaines]

I would do it, you gotta like the upside from Ubaldo, and he is much less of a risk. I know Carpenter is great when healthy, but you gotta consider the risk and age difference.

[gws226]

Nice roster. I think I would go ahead and take Ulbaldo... perhaps you can convince the owner to throw in a little bullpen help as well. I like Carp better this year, but I think you can weather the difference in stats and still have a brighter future in 2011- and beyond.

Good luck
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