Rank these SP4 (ish)

[nacho742]

Standard 5x5 Roto categories --

Rank these guys:

Ted Lilly
Kevin Slowey
Homer Bailey
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Jeff Niemann
Ervin Santana
Hiroki Kuroda
Aaron Harang
Mat Latos

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[DarthIcarus]

Aaron Harang
Jeff Niemann
Ted Lilly
Mat Latos
Kevin Slowey
Homer Bailey
Ervin Santana
Hiroki Kuroda
Daisuke Matsuzaka

[Matt_Domsic]

Aaron Harang
Ted Lilly
Jeff Niemann
Kevin Slowey
Mat Latos
Ervin Santana
Homer Bailey
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Hiroki Kuroda

[Carnac]

Harang
Lilly
Niemann
Slowey
Santana
Matos
Bailey
Kuroda
Dice K

[The Artful Dodger]

Kevin Slowey
Ervin Santana
Hiroki Kuroda
Ted Lilly
Homer Bailey
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Aaron Harang
Jeff Niemann
Mat Latos

[dave knight]

Kevin Slowey
Ervin Santana
Hiroki Kuroda
Ted Lilly
Homer Bailey
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Aaron Harang
Jeff Niemann
Mat Latos

Latos is last?!?!? Can you explain that? Petco Park is the perfect setup for tiny ratios, and he racks up Ks as well, and he's a top prospect and you'd rather have all these mediocre options like Matsuzaka? Latos is another player that everyone hates that I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why.

[thejusman1]

Slowey
E. Santana
Kuroda
Lilly (would be 3rd ovr Kuroda if he weren't out a month)

*gap*

Latos (most upside out of this tier)
Harang (i've been burned by him drafting him after his spectacular 200K+ seasons twice now... he's got great K potential, but I'm not sure the control was ever there...)

*gap*

Dice-K (chase wins)
Niemann

*gap*

Homer Bailey (should have been a major league batter instead of a pitcher).

[The Artful Dodger]

Kevin Slowey
Ervin Santana
Hiroki Kuroda
Ted Lilly
Homer Bailey
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Aaron Harang
Jeff Niemann
Mat Latos

Latos is last?!?!? Can you explain that? Petco Park is the perfect setup for tiny ratios, and he racks up Ks as well, and he's a top prospect and you'd rather have all these mediocre options like Matsuzaka? Latos is another player that everyone hates that I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why.

Oops, brain cramp. Keep your clothes on, sunshine.

I'd probably spot him ahead of Dice K and Harang. Latos is going to be on an innings limit and that's something to keep in mind (let's say 130-150 IP).

[The Artful Dodger]

Latos (most upside out of this tier)

Behind Ervin and Bailey, IMO. Ervin's velocity was much better as the year progressed (so was his command) and he really had a respectable finish. Same thing for Bailey: velocity is up, had a nice closing stretch. Like I said, Latos is most likely to have an innings cap.

[dave knight]

I'd probably spot him ahead of Dice K and Harang. Latos is going to be on an innings limit and that's something to keep in mind (let's say 130-150 IP).

That seems like the Rich Harden principle. It's better to have 150 nice innings than 200 from AJ Burnett or whoever.

As far as the list, I'd go Latos, Slowey, Lilly, Kuroda in that order. Bailey and Ervin are wildness risks and I don't feel like picking them this year.