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His Greinke and Butler for my Kershaw and Votto? WHIR

Postby sman » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:37 pm

I am in a ten team roto league with the following stats for hitters: R, 2B, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OPS
For pitchers, the stats are: IP, W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP, K/BB

Here is my roster:

C Kurt Suzuki
1B Prince Fielder
2B Asdrubal Cabrera
3B Chone Figgins
SS Jimmy Rollins
OF Ryan Braun
OF Shin-Soo Choo
OF Curtis Granderson
Util Joey Votto
Util Adam Lind
BN Chipper Jones
BN Vladimir Guerrero
BN James Loney

SP Clayton Kershaw
RP Rafael Soriano
RP Brian Fuentes
P Ricky Nolasco
P Jair Jurrjens
P Gavin Floyd
P Hiroki Kuroda

I have been offered Zack Greinke and Billy Butler for Clayton Kershaw and Joey Votto, should I accept the deal?

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Re: His Greinke and Butler for my Kershaw and Votto? WHIR

Postby McStallen » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:40 pm

Those are both good players but I don't think you want more than one Royal on your team at any given time
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Re: His Greinke and Butler for my Kershaw and Votto? WHIR

Postby matty373 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:56 pm

i would probably take that trade, but it is a tough call. if kershaw can grow a pair and stop walking so many batters (ground balls are more democratic) his value will be huge. if not, greinkes k/bb ratio as well as his innings should more than make up what little you might lose with butler vs votto.




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Postby FF King » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:36 pm

I like what you have. Kershaw is going to be special and Votto better than Butler.
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Postby kidsilk » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:47 pm

I also would stick with what you have. Kershaw could be the next Lincecum if he puts it all together and I like Votto better than Butler although I expect big things from both of them this year.
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Re: His Greinke and Butler for my Kershaw and Votto? WHIR

Postby The Artful Dodger » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:20 pm

It's a lot closer than what others have made this deal out to be. Greinke figures to be better than Kershaw in innings and K/BB rate.

Despite that, I'd roll with this deal, only because Votto is a more sure thing than Butler is and value-wise, it's a pretty even trade. Butler hit 21 HR and a boatload of doubles, but he also had a ton of PA to do it in. Not doubting Butler's power, per se, as I do believe he has 25 HR pop, even 30 HR potential. Votto has the park and the lineup in his favor to hit .310, 30 HR, and 100 RBI. If Kershaw lowers his walk rate (and thus increasing his IP count), he'll take a step ahead. FWIW, Kershaw probably won't be tethered to the IP limit (I'm saying it loosely though) as he did last season.
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Postby theinflatinator91 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:03 pm

Thanks for the help.

I would probably stay put. Although Greinke is a stud I do believe that he will take a step back from last year and I do believe that Kershaw will continue to get better and better.
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Re: His Greinke and Butler for my Kershaw and Votto? WHIR

Postby sman » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:41 pm

The Artful Dodger wrote:It's a lot closer than what others have made this deal out to be. Greinke figures to be better than Kershaw in innings and K/BB rate.

Despite that, I'd roll with this deal, only because Votto is a more sure thing than Butler is and value-wise, it's a pretty even trade. Butler hit 21 HR and a boatload of doubles, but he also had a ton of PA to do it in. Not doubting Butler's power, per se, as I do believe he has 25 HR pop, even 30 HR potential. Votto has the park and the lineup in his favor to hit .310, 30 HR, and 100 RBI. If Kershaw lowers his walk rate (and thus increasing his IP count), he'll take a step ahead. FWIW, Kershaw probably won't be tethered to the IP limit (I'm saying it loosely though) as he did last season.


So, are you saying take the deal or don't take the deal? Sorry, I was a bit confused by your response.
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Postby Grounded Polo » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:46 pm

He said take Votto and Kershaw.

I also agree with that. Votto isn't that far behind Greinke value wise but I like Kershaw's upside much more than Butler.
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Re: His Greinke and Butler for my Kershaw and Votto? WHIR

Postby theilluminati » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:59 pm

I'd go with Votto/Kershaw

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