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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:20 pm

Also - I havent heard anyone talk about Hideki Matsui on this thread. He is another very late rd guy who could be a great bargain for your fantasy team. Good comeback candidate as a DH in a pretty solid offensive lineup in LAA.
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby Captain Furtah » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:22 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Also - I havent heard anyone talk about Hideki Matsui on this thread. He is another very late rd guy who could be a great bargain for your fantasy team. Good comeback candidate as a DH in a pretty solid offensive lineup in LAA.



Id rather have Vlad in Tex then Matsui in LA
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:25 pm

Captain Furtah wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Also - I havent heard anyone talk about Hideki Matsui on this thread. He is another very late rd guy who could be a great bargain for your fantasy team. Good comeback candidate as a DH in a pretty solid offensive lineup in LAA.



Id rather have Vlad in Tex then Matsui in LA


From the MDP in the other thread:

Vlad - 169
Matsui - 242
Mags - 262

You gotta admit there seems to be good value in those 2 guys that are often going undrafted.
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby Fade2White12 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:41 pm

The Tigers have quite the incentive to make sure Magglio doesn't achieve those projected numbers. By keeping him under 540PAs, they can decline his option next season, saving them $18 million. And now, with Damon/Guillen/Magglio/Raburn fighting for two outfield spots and a DH, they can afford to do so. I wouldn't bank on a huge year from Mags unless injury or ineffectiveness at another position.
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby B-Chad » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:11 pm

Fade2White12 wrote:The Tigers have quite the incentive to make sure Magglio doesn't achieve those projected numbers. By keeping him under 540PAs, they can decline his option next season, saving them $18 million. And now, with Damon/Guillen/Magglio/Raburn fighting for two outfield spots and a DH, they can afford to do so. I wouldn't bank on a huge year from Mags unless injury or ineffectiveness at another position.


Toss in that even in his hot second half he showed little to no power, and I wouldn't expect more than a hollow batting average and less than 540 PAs.
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby KDOGG » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:57 pm

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This was my first thought when thinking of unsexy players :-b

On a serious note, the premise for this thread is solid, and here is my thinking. Usually the guys who go from sexy to unsexy seem to be veterans over 30 (i.e. Paul Konerko) who put up a couple less than stellar seasons and are expected to fall off a cliff (which does happen to a significant number of power hitters).

A guy like David Ortiz could be a new trend of sexy to unsexy type, a guy who had a lousy season (albeit one he pulled out of total shambles by smacking a ton of 2nd half HR's and driving in oodles of RBI's) and is suspected by some to have been a former PED user. Take a look at comments in blogs, and if I remember correctly even comments in threads on here, people were attributing his awful start to last year to him no longer "juicing."

The third type of sexy to unsexy type, and a type I love to take end game flyers on, are post hype blue chip prospects. A guy like Delmon Young 3 years ago was being described as a future fantasy stud, keeper gold, etc. While he isn't a perfect example because he still posts an awful BB rate and has some other statistical concerns, he is being completely ignored which to me is a mistake given his "tools," and his uptick in ISO and HR/FB. If it were to "click," with him by chance, he has the raw tools to be a very useful fantasy player. Brandon Wood, Homer Bailey, Joba Chamberlain/Phil Hughes, Cameron Maybin, Alex Gordon, etc are all guys who come to mind that were even as recently as last year considered keeper stars who happen to be getting slept on in a big way this season. In the cases of Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain part of that is the uncertainty of their roles this year, that said, they are both going quite late for guys with nice k rates and some serious upside.


I thought of Elijah Dukes when I read this.
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby B-Chad » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:23 pm

KDOGG wrote:
B-Chad wrote:Image

This was my first thought when thinking of unsexy players :-b

On a serious note, the premise for this thread is solid, and here is my thinking. Usually the guys who go from sexy to unsexy seem to be veterans over 30 (i.e. Paul Konerko) who put up a couple less than stellar seasons and are expected to fall off a cliff (which does happen to a significant number of power hitters).

A guy like David Ortiz could be a new trend of sexy to unsexy type, a guy who had a lousy season (albeit one he pulled out of total shambles by smacking a ton of 2nd half HR's and driving in oodles of RBI's) and is suspected by some to have been a former PED user. Take a look at comments in blogs, and if I remember correctly even comments in threads on here, people were attributing his awful start to last year to him no longer "juicing."

The third type of sexy to unsexy type, and a type I love to take end game flyers on, are post hype blue chip prospects. A guy like Delmon Young 3 years ago was being described as a future fantasy stud, keeper gold, etc. While he isn't a perfect example because he still posts an awful BB rate and has some other statistical concerns, he is being completely ignored which to me is a mistake given his "tools," and his uptick in ISO and HR/FB. If it were to "click," with him by chance, he has the raw tools to be a very useful fantasy player. Brandon Wood, Homer Bailey, Joba Chamberlain/Phil Hughes, Cameron Maybin, Alex Gordon, etc are all guys who come to mind that were even as recently as last year considered keeper stars who happen to be getting slept on in a big way this season. In the cases of Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain part of that is the uncertainty of their roles this year, that said, they are both going quite late for guys with nice k rates and some serious upside.


I thought of Elijah Dukes when I read this.


Dukes is a good example. Should have solid PT... I'd agree.
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby MasterX1918 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:03 pm

I'm surprised no one mentioned Vernon Wells
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby NYMetsIn2k4 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:18 pm

Alex Gordon was being touted as the savior of the Royals Franchise and the "next big thing". He came up at the exact same time as Evan Longoria and was supposed to be just as good and just as "sure of a bet" as Longoria is/was. Needless to say, their careers have gone in complete opposite directions. Longoria being a superstar with sick potential who still hasnt peaked and Gordon is labelled as a "bust". Alex Gordon and Evan Longoria were as sexxxy as Eva Longoria when they came up but only Longoria continues to be as sexxxy as Longoria. :-D
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Re: Formerly sexy players, now unsexy

Postby NYMetsIn2k4 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:20 pm

MasterX1918 wrote:I'm surprised no one mentioned Vernon Wells


Vernon is just injury prone, i wouldnt say hes "un-sexy" now, hes just such an injury risk... well, i guess thats un-sexy... hmmm, yeah, i guess ur right :-?
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