Ws vs QSs!

[bigh0rt]

I know this is probably the minority opinion, but I definitely prefer wins to QS.

No way !
Wins are heavily determined by the team you play on.

So are Quality Starts. I prefer the stat to Wins, all things equal, but I don't like docking relief pitchers even further down the fantasy ladder of importance. Cue the 'just add Holds' comment that is soon to follow.

[ensanimal]

I know this is probably the minority opinion, but I definitely prefer wins to QS.

No way !
Wins are heavily determined by the team you play on.

So are Quality Starts. I prefer the stat to Wins, all things equal, but I don't like docking relief pitchers even further down the fantasy ladder of importance. Cue the 'just add Holds' comment that is soon to follow.

I like QS and Holds.

[Sticky Spice]

To me, fantasy baseball is about collecting players who have the best individual performances. QS is by far a superior indicator of individual performance.

Look at how randomly a W can be awarded. If you pitch nine innings of one-run ball, and your team scores zero or one, what does that have to do with your pitcher's individual performance? If the guy that comes in to relieve him gets blown up for 3 ER in 1 IP, but then in the bottom of the inning the other team give up more... now this shredded reliever gets a W?

So not only do pitchers probably deserving of a W not get it when they should, but non-deserving pitchers get a W when they shouldn't. It just doesn't make any sense and it happens enough that it doesn't reflect true individual performances. You just don't run into this with QS.

If you think about what common fantasy statistic is the most "perfect" or least affected by outside factors, it might be the strikeout. Hard to believe that original rotisserie didn't even have it!

[buffalobillsrul2002]

I like W, W%, Net Saves (S-BS), and Holds. Also a good idea to add in your BB/K (or BB/9, whichever you prefer). Ratio categories offset streamers.

All stats are affected by teams. Ballpark plays a huge issue in ERA. So does opposition. QS is probably a better indicator of performance than wins. If you want to attempt to take out streamers and team element, have no stat for W or QS. Go with IP, ERA, WHIP, K, and a ratio category or 2 (think BB/9 or HR/9 or something along those lines)

[ayebatter]

Not to sure about quality starts as a category, guy pitches 6 innings & gives up 3 runs, that's a QS with a 4.5 era, and I can't see rewarding that. Wins are flawed, but QS doesn't seem to be any better.

[Matthias]

Check out the threads here and here.

[Mike610NY]

Not to sure about quality starts as a category, guy pitches 6 innings & gives up 3 runs, that's a QS with a 4.5 era, and I can't see rewarding that. Wins are flawed, but QS doesn't seem to be any better.

agreed.

Wins can open up bargains in drafts though. Someone will always chase the win and take a pitcher with lesser skills on a better team. Opens up the potential to grab someone with a higher ceiling that will outperform in the other categories. And there's always the chance the wins pan out.

QS are ~60% occurrence for most of the top 50 pitchers anyway.

[HOOTIE]

Not to sure about quality starts as a category, guy pitches 6 innings & gives up 3 runs, that's a QS with a 4.5 era, and I can't see rewarding that. Wins are flawed, but QS doesn't seem to be any better.

QS stink, until they change it. 5 innings no runs, is worse then 6 innings 3 runs? Or 9 innings 4 runs?

[JTWood]

Not to sure about quality starts as a category, guy pitches 6 innings & gives up 3 runs, that's a QS with a 4.5 era, and I can't see rewarding that. Wins are flawed, but QS doesn't seem to be any better.

QS stink, until they change it. 5 innings no runs, is worse then 6 innings 3 runs? Or 9 innings 4 runs?

Meh. Guys go 5 innings and give up 5 runs and get wins from time to time. My only problem with QS' math, as you pointed out, is that 6ip/3er = 4.50 ERA = QS but 8ip/4er = 4.50 ERA != QS. The second guy was just as effective and ate up more innings, yet he doesn't get the tick mark in his favor. Makes zero sense.

In my points league, we give more weighting to QS but still include wins/losses.

[The Mighty Trow]

My league was never happy with wins so we decided to tack on QS as an addition. Flawed, yes. But it was the only way we could think of to make our 3rd-5th and bench starters halfway interesting to roster. Not everyone drafted in that range is going to be a high upside fireballer, nor do all teams want to take a risk on them.

In a perfect world I'd like to see Shandler's PQS. It does not factor runs allowed but rather puts a number to how well a pitcher pitched. By this method a starter's 6 innings 3ER game results in a poor PQS score. A 7 inning 0ER game gets a much better PQS score.