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Postby coma » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:57 am

What are you guys going with in your leagues? I just set one up, and was contemplating changes Wins out for Quality Starts. What cat do you guys use?

While looking I also really wanted to add hitter stats like hits and OBP, but I'm not sure what pitcher stats to go with to balance them out.
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby jonboy418 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:33 am

coma wrote:What are you guys going with in your leagues? I just set one up, and was contemplating changes Wins out for Quality Starts. What cat do you guys use?

While looking I also really wanted to add hitter stats like hits and OBP, but I'm not sure what pitcher stats to go with to balance them out.


I look at wins and quality starts as mediocre streamable stats. The more pitchers you throw at those stats, the better of a chance you have to gain. You can put a Kyle Lohse against the Pirates at home and have a decent chance to gain a Win and a Quality Start. If you want to keep your pitcher's from getting watered down, add a ratio stat like k/9 or k/bb.

I'd add an additional ratio stat for hitters as well. OBP or OPS works well. Hits make AVG seem redundant. The higher the average, the more hits produced.
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby Inukchuk » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:22 am

We use QS over wins in our 5x5 roto (everything else is the same). It basically makes good pitchers on bad teams more valuable, while good pitchers on good teams tend to stay the same value wise.

The other thing that happens is closers take a slight hit, due to the fact that they lose the handful of wins they accumulate, and middle relievers are a lot less useful as they only really help with ratios.
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby Grounded Polo » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:31 am

My leagues always use wins but I've been trying to get them to try QS and it never happens. Sure, 6 innings and 3 ER is not good but I don't see how it isn't the lesser of two evils.

I also used to own pre-'09 Matt Cain on several teams. :^
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby Bloody Sox » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:37 am

I know this is probably the minority opinion, but I definitely prefer wins to QS.
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby horatio » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:34 pm

I know this is probably the minority opinion, but I definitely prefer wins to QS



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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby J.C.Fighter » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:48 pm

Bloody Sox wrote:I know this is probably the minority opinion, but I definitely prefer wins to QS.


No way !
Wins are heavily determined by the team you play on. I don't know how many times Felix Hernandez pitched a gem only to have it wiped out by the damn bullpen
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby Ender » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:17 pm

J.C.Fighter wrote:
No way !
Wins are heavily determined by the team you play on. I don't know how many times Felix Hernandez pitched a gem only to have it wiped out by the damn bullpen



All counting stats are heavily team based and so are most of the ratios. ERA and WHIP are heavily dependent on the defense and park of the pitcher, R/RBI are directly related to the lineup you hit in etc.

You aren't going to get away from team deciding how good a player is.

We are discussing this same change in our league this year, I'm pretty ambivalent about it right now. I can see the argument for each.
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby rib217 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:26 pm

We used QS in our league for the first time last year and the issue i have with it is basically the entire league was within 5 of each other for leading the category. Maybe it just happened that way but it seemed impossible to really pull away or make much ground in that category for us last year.
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Re: Ws vs QSs!

Postby Maris09 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:50 pm

J.C.Fighter wrote:
Bloody Sox wrote:I know this is probably the minority opinion, but I definitely prefer wins to QS.


No way !
Wins are heavily determined by the team you play on.

Which can and should be factored into where you draft a player...
I agree with Ender. That's like saying RBI are heavily determined by the team you play on and the ability of those guys to get on base. Or the protection a hitter may or may not have.
It's all factored into their draft value.


I'm good with either one.
Played with both settings and they eventually become equally annoying and seemingly unfair at times.
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