Pochucker wrote:Havok dont be offended but this list is not up to your usual standards.Milledge over his own teamate McCutcheon ? Really ? Not to mention he is in Victorinos area and he cant carry his jock strap! Upton, B.J. ? Its time for him to actually do it before we annoint him each year! Bruce ? Great potential but again if this is a preseason list then he is way high --if this is postseason list as you see it well different story. Werth seems tad low to me also . Ill stop there. Thanks for the effort.
If I'm not mistaken, Havok mentioned in one of the other ranking threads that his lists are more about how he sees the rankings finishing up at the end of the season.
15. M. Ramirez (LAD) – Amazingly underrated as he missed 50 games last year
He missed 50 games, still he complained of fatigue and his legs wearing down last year. That doesnt sound good. I've read somewhere that Torre wants to give him more days off this year. Unfortunatelly for fantasy owners, the Dodgers always play the late games, so its gonna be 6 month of guessing for the "lucky" Manny owner.
And a fact: he’ll be 38 in May. But he is playing for a new contract.
I think Manny will have more weekend games off, but still 5 days out of him a week, isn't a bad proposition either. Missing 50 games could have been a factor in fatiguing more quickly than usual, also.
That said, Manny is going in the late 6th round in the Cafe mocks I've seen, which is pretty good value. I don't expect world-beating numbers out of him anymore, but 25-30 HR coupled with his R/RBI totals is a fine return. He got thrown off by inside pitches more than usual and if he fixes that kink, he should achieve those numbers within reason.
Now that I know it's an end of the year prediction, that makes a little more sense in Havok's rankings.
However, this means that for McLouth to be ranked 49th behind guys like Gomez and Vernon Wells, the conclusion is being drawn that McLouth will revert back to his 2006 numbers with the same minimal at-bats (270 AB, 7 HR, 10 SB, .233). I'm thinking at worst he goes 90 runs, 15 HR, 18+ SB and .270 at the top of Atlanta's order. Nothing excellent, but better than Vernon Wells? Arguably. If he gets those numbers he is right in there with Corey Hart and Alex Rios in those rankings .. but that's only if you believe.
MashinSpuds wrote:Now that I know it's an end of the year prediction, that makes a little more sense in Havok's rankings.
Isn't that how all rankings work? You are ranking who you think will have the best season. Why would you rank someone ahead of another if you didn't think they are going to have a better season?
urbanbreez wrote:Wow, really high on J.Bruce and J. Bay, IMHO.
I think he is low on Bay actually. Most rankings i see have him at least top 10. He should be ahead of Quentin for sure as well as Bj, Hamilton, and probably Lee and Markakis (but i can see Markakis ahead of him.) I think the Citi Field effect is waaay overblown.
urbanbreez wrote:Wow, really high on J.Bruce and J. Bay, IMHO.
I think he is low on Bay actually. Most rankings i see have him at least top 10. He should be ahead of Quentin for sure as well as Bj, Hamilton, and probably Lee and Markakis (but i can see Markakis ahead of him.) I think the Citi Field effect is waaay overblown.
MashinSpuds wrote:Now that I know it's an end of the year prediction, that makes a little more sense in Havok's rankings.
Isn't that how all rankings work? You are ranking who you think will have the best season. Why would you rank someone ahead of another if you didn't think they are going to have a better season?
True enough. I suppose, to answer the last question, one could rank someone higher than another just to be against popular opinion and cause a stir. Here we are on page 4, y'know. Regardless of that, I don't think that is necessarily what Havok was aiming for here...
Quentin is way too high, I think you can bump Werth up a couple spots, Milledge has not proven anything to be at #26, and Nate Mclouth is ridiculously low. 49? Behind Kubel, Rivera, Hawpe, Young, Rios, etc?? Mclouth will outperform all of those guys.
urbanbreez wrote:Wow, really high on J.Bruce and J. Bay, IMHO.
I think he is low on Bay actually. Most rankings i see have him at least top 10. He should be ahead of Quentin for sure as well as Bj, Hamilton, and probably Lee and Markakis (but i can see Markakis ahead of him.) I think the Citi Field effect is waaay overblown.
I agree 100%... Remember, Wright couldn't hit HRs on the road either in 2009!!
When it comes to exaggerating, I always give 110%.
Abreu is too low. Last year he went 96 Run, 15 HR, 103 RBI, 30 SB, .293...In 08' he went 100 Run, 20 HR, 100 RBI, 22 SB, .296 Ave..He is a lock for at least 16-18 HR, 100 RBI, 100 Run, 20 SB's and nearly a .300 Ave..Is that worthy of the mid 30's..I think not
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