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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby DaSh 1s » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:26 pm

ensanimal wrote:Are you referring to the same Zobrist who is a year away from being a part time player who wasn't even owned in standard leagues in 2008?


But he made adjustments to his swing! ;-7



I like Cano a lot more than Zobrist. I have him ranked 3rd, but could easily see him put up the 2nd best season behind Utley.[/quote]

I was nearly hung a couple of months ago, when I wouldn't agree Roberts and Dustin ahead of Cano. :-b
B-Chad wrote:Pedroia's LD rate of 20% is reason to believe he'll maintain a higher BA then Cano. It should also be noted he hits more FB's then Cano, which means that even if he posts a lower HR/FB then Cano, he should come in reasonably close to Cano in HR's
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby J.C.Fighter » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:30 pm

DaSh 1s wrote:
I was nearly hung a couple of months ago, when I wouldn't agree Roberts and Dustin ahead of Cano. :-b


You're not the only one that would rather have Roberts over Cano. B-)
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby DaSh 1s » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:31 pm

J.C.Fighter wrote:You're not the only one that would rather have Roberts over Cano. B-)


No, I would take Cano over Dustin and Roberts, and not blink.
B-Chad wrote:Pedroia's LD rate of 20% is reason to believe he'll maintain a higher BA then Cano. It should also be noted he hits more FB's then Cano, which means that even if he posts a lower HR/FB then Cano, he should come in reasonably close to Cano in HR's
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby J.C.Fighter » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:37 pm

DaSh 1s wrote:
J.C.Fighter wrote:You're not the only one that would rather have Roberts over Cano. B-)


No, I would take Cano over Dustin and Roberts, and not blink.


Oh I read it wrong. Well, that's your personal preference. I'd rather have runs/stolen bases from either my 2nd baseman or shortstop.
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby kab21 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:09 pm

Syfo-Dyas wrote:
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Syfo-Dyas wrote:Im quite confused. Is anyone cutting into Prado's palying time? He is prjected to get 423 AB's by Bill James and 405 by Chone, while Lowell, who will sit on the bench is projected 529 ABs by BillJames and 462 by Chone.
What am I missing here?


This is the downfall of mathematical projection systems. They are somewhat good for projecting rate stats based on past statistics. But you can't mathematically project playing time based on past statistics. there are too many variables that you can't account (principally other players on the roster taking their PT). but I do think they are somewhat useful for determining rate stats: BA/OBP/SLG, HR/FB%, etc...


I see. But I don't get it. Shouldnt they use their brain too, when predicting PAs?
Looking at the roster could give an indication what to expect. And it doesnt have to be accurate, but a good guess sounds much better than this.
Whatever. Looks like I'll sign up for the Annual "awesome" Spreadsheet by J35J.


Logically yes. I don't know why they choose to do it the way that they do it.
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby Ender » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:34 pm

Syfo-Dyas wrote:
I see. But I don't get it. Shouldnt they use their brain too, when predicting PAs?
Looking at the roster could give an indication what to expect. And it doesnt have to be accurate, but a good guess sounds much better than this.
Whatever. Looks like I'll sign up for the Annual "awesome" Spreadsheet by J35J.


They aren't meant for fantasy so it isn't as big a deal from a real baseball standpoint. Also fans almost universally overrate playtime so hand made ones probably won't be accurate. This is especially true for old and young players who need to be regressed heavily since so many of them get injured or are ineffective.
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby thejusman1 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:09 pm

The Angels are weak this year.. I can smell a Texas Rangers AL West Pennant even from here. Mark my words, Ian Kinsler will have the best season out of any 2B, Chase Utley be damned.
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby Fade2White12 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:59 pm

thejusman1 wrote:The Angels are weak this year.. I can smell a Texas Rangers AL West Pennant even from here. Mark my words, Ian Kinsler will have the best season out of any 2B, Chase Utley be damned.


Even while playing in 35 less games? ;-7
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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby DaSh 1s » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:26 pm

Fade2White12 wrote:
thejusman1 wrote:The Angels are weak this year.. I can smell a Texas Rangers AL West Pennant even from here. Mark my words, Ian Kinsler will have the best season out of any 2B, Chase Utley be damned.


Even while playing in 35 less games? ;-7

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Re: Havok's 2010 Top 25 2nd Basemen Rankings

Postby Havok1517 » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:03 am

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Havok1517 wrote:Top 25 2nd Base Rankings
1. C. Utley (Phi) – Clearly the head of the class
2. R. Cano (NYY) – A great 2009 should catapult him up in 2010
3. I. Kinsler (Tex) – Needs to keep his BA up to be complete
4. A. Hill (Tor) – Proved that when he plays he can be great
5. B. Phillips (Cin) – A possible move to SS would tax his body more
6. D. Pedroia (Bos) – Hitting amongst the top of Red Sox order again
7. B. Roberts (Bal) – Starting to slow down but adding power once more
8. D. Uggla (Fla) – If he gets dealt, this could be his last year as a 2B
9. G. Beckham (ChW) – Sophomore has been announced as the starting 2B
10. J. Lopez (Sea) – Productive for 2 years in a row, could get 100 RBIs
11. B. Zobrist (TB) – Where did that come from? Can he repeat? SS & OF eligible
12. R. Weeks (Mil) – Capable of so much but seems to fail every year
13. I. Stewart (Col) – Finally full-time 3B, continues to improve, needs better BA
14. M. Prado (Atl) – Took 2B job in ‘09, good power potential, 20+ HR sleeper
15. H. Kendrick (LAA) – Had a stellar 2nd half, could carry that through, potential
16. C. Barmes (Col) – A pleasant surprise in ’09, might regress some
17. A. Cabrera (Cle) – SS eligible, hasn’t quite hit his peak yet
18. C. McGehee (Mil) – Bat played, I question playing time & league adjustments
19. S. Rodriguez (TB) – Huge sleeper if he’s the starter, hit 30 MiLB HRs in ‘09
20. A. Callaspo (KC) – Should be good in all categories except SBs
21. P. Polanco (Phi) – He’ll be much better in reality, likely bats near bottom
22. M. Ellis (Oak) – Just can’t stay healthy enough to be counted on
23. O. Hudson (Min) – Much better in reality than fantasy but should be just OK
24. S. Sizemore (Det) – Rookie should produce, I could see him batting up lineup
25. L. Castillo (NYM) - Dropped in order but AVG and Steals should be decent

- 5 Games Started, 10 Games Played criteria


Actual 2010 Rank...
1. Cano - MVP caliber season, I predicted a big season with #2 ranking but he exceeded those
2. Uggla - Good season and stayed on the Marlins
3. Weeks - The talent was always there but finally produced
4. Johnson - Bounce-back year though may get dealt for '11
5. Prado - Probably would have met my sleeper status if he hadn't gotten hurt
6. McGehee - Nice season and led the Brewers in RBIs
7. Phillips - Had some nagging injuries but almost 100 R with almost 20/20 year
8. Utley - If he had been healthy all year he'd be 1st or 2nd
9. Kendrick - Finally showed some potential
10. Scutaro - Gained 2B eligibility late, might be the utility man in '11
11. Zobrist - Ding, ding, ding.took some flack for this but I hit it dead on
12. Infante - I'll be honest, this guy came out of nowhere with full-time play
13. Uribe - The resurgent power numbers were a surprise
14. Polanco -Unexpected spot in the order and Utley injury helped
15. Kinsler - Hurt for a lot of the year, would of been Top 5 if healthy
16. Desmond - Good building season and should be better in future
17. Walker - Didn't have eligibility but was a surprise in '10
18. Wiggington - Played much more since Roberts was hurt
19. Avilies - Late season tear accounted for a lot of his numbers
20. Raburn - Gained 2B eligibility during the season
21. Figgins - Horrible season aside from steals, gained 2B eligibility in '10
22. Keppinger - About what you could expect after getting playing time
23. Stewart - Would have been better if healthy, no longer 2B in '11
24. Hudson - Better in reality and close to my #23 ranking
25. Pedroia - Tells the story of the injuries 2Bs had in '10
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