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Postby AussieDodger » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:33 am

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-alnl-gap-a-gm-disparity

In no particular order: Friedman, Epstein, Beane, Zduriencik, and Melvin.

Best GMs Tally: AL 4, NL 1


The Worst: Oh boy… This was surprisingly (and depressingly) easy. In no particular order, the Frightful Five are: Dayton Moore (KCA), Omar Minaya (NYM), Ed Wade (HOU), Ned Colletti (LAN), and Brian Sabean (SFN).....................

................Worst GMs Tally: AL 1, NL 4


What's funny is, Melvin's team was allegedly built by JackZ, and Dayton Moore was an understudy (along with Wren) in Atlanta. :-b
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:52 am

I'm pretty unimpressed by Melvin.
The Brewers have brought a ton of talent through the minors but IMO they have constantly underacheived with that talent. The FA signing besides Hoffman have all stunk.
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby AussieDodger » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:57 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:I'm pretty unimpressed by Melvin.
The Brewers have brought a ton of talent through the minors but IMO they have constantly underacheived with that talent. The FA signing besides Hoffman have all stunk.


I would have picked Shapiro or Ca$hman over him for 5th.
That would have made 5 ALs for me. ;-7
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:04 am

AussieDodger wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:I'm pretty unimpressed by Melvin.
The Brewers have brought a ton of talent through the minors but IMO they have constantly underacheived with that talent. The FA signing besides Hoffman have all stunk.


I would have picked Shapiro or Ca$hman over him for 5th.
That would have made 5 ALs for me. ;-7


I think Cashman has done a great job. If it wasn't for Dayton Moore the AL would be making a clear sweep.
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby Ender » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:25 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:I'm pretty unimpressed by Melvin.
The Brewers have brought a ton of talent through the minors but IMO they have constantly underacheived with that talent. The FA signing besides Hoffman have all stunk.


I'd say taking the laughingstock team of baseball and turning them into a consistent .500 team in a 3 year period is pretty impressive. He hasn't had a lot of luck with FA signings but then again few FA want to sign for the Brewers either, the Suppan and Gagne deals were the only dreadful ones. Also for all the accolades Jack Z gets for drafting offense he has been equally terrible at drafting pitching and most of that offense he drafted is defensively deficient. Melvin is easily one of the top 10 GMs in baseball in my mind.

I mentioned in the fagraphs comment that a lot of the fault for this comes from pitchers hitting. Every season NL teams lose a dozen pitchers to the DL while hitting/running the bases. Over time that really adds up. The other big part is the AL has more large market teams than the NL.

Just to give you an idea of the team he inherited going into 2003.

Paul Bako
Richie Sexson
Eric Young
Jose Hernandez
Tyler Houston
Geoff Jenkins
Alex Sanchez
Jeffrey Hamonds

Glendon Rusch
Ben Sheets
Ruben Quevedo
Jamey Wright
Nick Neugebauer

Mike DeJean
Jose Cabrera
Luis Vizcaino
Ray King
Valerio de los Santos

Turning that around in 3 years is most impressive and that was pre Fielder/Braun. Most of that turn around was rule 5 draft picks, FA and trades, not the drafting.
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:19 pm

Melvin has done a good job and top 10 might be about right but I don't think he top 5.
The Carlos Lee deal was a steal and getting Sabathia was the right move even if they lost in the first round. Some of it might be that I see the Brewers moving the wrong way. The 90 win season looks like the peak to me.
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby Ender » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:23 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:Melvin has done a good job and top 10 might be about right but I don't think he top 5.
The Carlos Lee deal was a steal and getting Sabathia was the right move even if they lost in the first round. Some of it might be that I see the Brewers moving the wrong way. The 90 win season looks like the peak to me.


That could be. Jack Z completely failed in his drafting of pitching and now they have a 2 year gap or so in talent for pitching in the minors and trying to build a rotation via FA with a budget is tough(the Suppan deal obviously hurt a lot too). It is still a loaded minor league system so even if they head the wrong way short term there is another wave of talent coming.
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:12 pm

I'd be intersted in some opinions on Mozeliak. A lot of the fangraphs comments had him as pretty bad but while I don't think he is that bad I don't think he is that good either.

Edmonds for Freese, OK deal but nothing great
FA Miles, once again OK but not great
Rolen for Glaus, I'd say a wash
Trading Reyes for nothing
Izturis %-6
Lohse FA ;-D
Lohse contract :-t
Pinero contract, one bad year and one good year, probably a good deal in the end.
Greene trade, not good but the Cardinals didn't give up a whole lot
Adam Kennedy released, not a good move
Wainwright extension ;-D
Yadi extension, good move
Trades for Holliday and DeRosa :-t :-t

TBD
Penny FA
Holliday?
Pujols next contract
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby B-Chad » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:36 pm

What about Andy McPhail? He really seems to be stockpiling a nice collection of young talent in Baltimore.
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Re: Good article about NL FAIL

Postby KCollins1304 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:03 pm

B-Chad wrote:What about Andy McPhail? He really seems to be stockpiling a nice collection of young talent in Baltimore.


He absolutely owned that Bedard trade. They've got a really nice set of SP's coming through.
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