Same deal here, just finished my pitching rankings. I narrowed it down to 120 starters, 30 closers and 30 relief pitchers. I am working on an overall top 300 that I will publish in the next day or two after I match hitter value vs. pitcher value. Here is my final list.
Starting Pitchers: 1 Lincecum, Tim 2 Hernandez, Felix 3 Halladay, Roy 4 Greinke, Zach 5 Sabathia, CC 6 Verlander, Justin 7 Haren, Dan 8 Lee, Cliff 9 Santana, Johan 10 Beckett, Josh 11 Johnson, Josh 12 Wainwright, Adam 13 Carpenter, Chris 14 Lester, Jon 15 Hamels, Cole 16 Gallardo, Yovani 17 Kershaw, Clayton 18 Jimenez, Ubaldo 19 Danks, John 20 Peavy, Jake 21 Nolasco, Rickey 22 Vazquez, Javier 23 Cain, Matt 24 Hanson, Tommy 25 Billingsley, Chad 26 Webb, Brandon 27 Lackey, John 28 Floyd, Gavin 29 Jurrjens, Jair 30 Rodriguez, Wandy 31 Weaver, Jered 32 Baker, Scott 32 Anderson, Brett 33 Oswalt, Roy 34 Garza, Matt 35 Burnett, A.J. 36 Zambrano, Carlos 37 Dempster, Ryan 38 Lilly, Ted 39 Scherzer, Max 40 Harden, Rich 41 Shields, James 42 Kazmir, Scott 43 De La Rosa, Jorge 44 Wolf, Randy 45 Price, David 46 Buehrle, Mark 47 Chamberlain, Joba 48 Bucholtz, Clay 49 Kuroda, Hiroki 50 Sanchez, Jonathon 51 Jackson, Edwin 52 Niemann, Jeff 53 Richard, Clayton 54 Strasburg, Stephen 55 Sheets, Ben 56 Bedard, Erik 57 Harang, Aaron 58 Liriano, Francisco 59 Arroyo, Bronson 60 Happ, J.A. 61 Zito, Barry 62 Pettitte, Andy 63 Porcello, Rick 64 Hudson, Tim 65 Myers, Brett 66 Maine, John 67 Lannan, John 68 Kawakami, Kenshin 69 Cueto, Johnny 70 Davis, Wade 71 Morrow, Brandon 72 Rowland-Smith, Ryan 73 Bergesen, Brad 74 Slowey, Kevin 75 Martinez, Pedro 76 Braden, Dallas 77 Masterson, Justin 78 Smoltz, John 79 Matsuzaka, Daisuke 80 Romero, Rickey 81 Cahill, Trevor 82 Blanton, Joe 83 Carmona, Fausto 84 Feldman, Scott 85 Penny, Brad 86 Garland, Jon 87 Pavano, Carl 88 Pinerio, Joel 89 Guthrie, Jeremy 90 Zimmerman, Jordan 91 Blackburn, Nick 92 Maholm, Paul 93 Duke, Zach 94 Cueto, Johnny 99 Sanchez, Anibal 96 Wells, Randy 97 Outman, Josh 98 Washburn, Jarrod 99 Saunders, Joe 100 Matusz, Brian 101 Laffey, Aaron 102 Wang, Chien-Meng 103 Holland, Derrek 104 Tillman, Chris 105 Young, Chris 106 Millwood, Kevin 107 Bannister, Brian 108 Lowe, Derek 109 Hunter, Tommy 110 Snell, Ian 111 Correria, Kevin 112 Marquis, Jason 113 Escobar, Kelvim 114 Uehara, Koji 115 Rzepczynski, Marc 116 Johnson, Randy 117 Garcia, Freddy 118 Gonzalez, Gio 119 LeBlanc, Wade 120 Padilla, Vincent
Closers: 1 Nathan, Joe 2 Rivera, Mariano 3 Papelbon, Jonathon 4 Broxton, Jonathon 5 Soria, Joakim 6 Soriano, Rafael 7 Bailey, Andrew 8 Bell, Heath 9 Rodriguez, Francisco 10 Street, Huston 11 Gonzalez, Mike 12 Hoffman, Trevor 13 Valverde, Jose 14 Wilson, Brian 15 Jenks, Bobby 16 Fuentes, Brian 17 Cordero, Francisco 18 Aardsma, David 19 Wagner, Billy 20 Nunez, Leo 21 Francisco, Frank 22 Wood, Kerry 23 Qualls, Chad 24 Franklin, Ryan 25 Downs, Scott 26 Gregg, Kevin 27 Hanrahan, Joel 28 Capps, Matt 29 Lidge, Brad 30 Zumaya, Joel
Relief Pitchers: 1 Madson, Ryan 2 Feliz, Neftali 3 Marmol, Carlos 4 Wilson, C.J. 5 Saito, Takashi 6 League, Brandon 7 Lindstrom, Matt 8 Zieglar, Brad 9 Sherrill, George 10 Rodney, Fernando 11 Howell, J.P. 12 Frasor, Jason 13 Hughes, Phil 14 Wheeler, Dan 15 Perez, Chris 16 Lyon, Brandon 17 Wuertz, Michael 18 Putz, J.J. 19 Thorton, Matt 20 Johnson, Jim 21 Hawkins, LaTroy 22 Gutierrez, Juan 23 Cordero, Chad 24 MacDougal, Mike 25 Betancourt, Rafael 26 Bard, Daniel 27 Dotel, Octovio 28 Rauch, Jon 29 Adams, Mike 30 Okajima, Hideki
Thoughts and Suggestions are more than welcome!
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Beckett jumps out as being a little high to me. As does Javy Vazquez.
"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.
Scratch Jordan Zimmerman... he underwent TJ and will miss all of 2010 or at least up until September I'd imagine. Haven't looked in depth yet but his name jumped out.
B-Chad wrote:Scratch Jordan Zimmerman... he underwent TJ and will miss all of 2010 or at least up until September I'd imagine. Haven't looked in depth yet but his name jumped out.
Totally slipped my mind....thanks for the reminder man
I like the lists, they'll be a big help for sure. I'm curious about where Brandon Webb would fit into these rankings. I scanned quickly but didn't see him. what kind of projection do you have for him this year?
drob681 wrote:I like the lists, they'll be a big help for sure. I'm curious about where Brandon Webb would fit into these rankings. I scanned quickly but didn't see him. what kind of projection do you have for him this year?
I'm taking caution with him, ranking him 26th. I have him down for 163 IP, 14 W, 3.68 ERA, 1.30 WHIP and 130 K's.
Isn't Marmol going to be the cubs closer this year? I would put Frank Francisco up a few spots. Jason Frasor will probably close with Downs going back to a setup role. Broxton is my #1 closer because he's a good bet for 100 k's. I would move Capps up a few spots since he should be closing for the Nats.
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Santana is too high. But it's not just you, he's going to be too high on everyone's list.
He's no longer "Johan" like he was in the early part of the decade.
His BB rate his increased each of the past 5 years. His K rate has been cut by about 30% in the last few years. He's lost about 2-3 MPH on both his fastball and slider. His contact rate has gone down from the low 70%s to the high 70%s.
He's just definitely in decline. and even if we assume he's healthy and will pitch a full season, He's now a 180k 3.50 ERA 1.20 WHIP guy.
Also, Brett Anderson needs to be 10 spots higher.
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John Danks is really high at 19, don't think he has the upside to go over guys like Peavy and Cain.
I'd also stick with Mo at #1. He struggles to walk a double digit amount of guys a season, you'll always get your money's worth with him but I guess Nathan is fine.
I'm hoping Ubaldo won't get drafted like he is ranked here but it wouldn't surprise me, would love to snag him again.
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