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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:57 pm

Havok1517 wrote:I'm gladd Pierre again gets a chance to start as he's a worthy weapoon.


Juan Pierre is not a good baseball player.

His last 5 season OPS+
84, 82, 77, 75, 105

Below average for four out of the past five years, playing out of the weakest division in BB.

But, but he steals bases!

Career 75 SB% Not good, not bad. But isn't 75 percent the cut off where stolen bases stop becoming effective? wOBA or EqA accounts for both SB and CS, and he is below average in both.

How much salary did they take on? Fantasy purposes, cheap SB, but real life Kenny Williams is really making a bid to lose his job. Rios, Andruw, and Juan?
B-Chad wrote:Pedroia's LD rate of 20% is reason to believe he'll maintain a higher BA then Cano. It should also be noted he hits more FB's then Cano, which means that even if he posts a lower HR/FB then Cano, he should come in reasonably close to Cano in HR's
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:09 pm

DaSh 1s wrote: Rios, Andruw, and Juan?


Pierre could be just what the Sox need to turn around lineups of slow beefiness.

Andruw was super cheap, super low-risk.

Rios -- it would be foolish to give up on him just yet. I think good things could be coming from him.
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:31 pm

DaSh 1s wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:I'm gladd Pierre again gets a chance to start as he's a worthy weapoon.


Juan Pierre is not a good baseball player.

His last 5 season OPS+
84, 82, 77, 75, 105

Below average for four out of the past five years, playing out of the weakest division in BB.

But, but he steals bases!

Career 75 SB% Not good, not bad. But isn't 75 percent the cut off where stolen bases stop becoming effective? wOBA or EqA accounts for both SB and CS, and he is below average in both.

How much salary did they take on? Fantasy purposes, cheap SB, but real life Kenny Williams is really making a bid to lose his job. Rios, Andruw, and Juan?

all that doesn't matter in fantasy. his SBs make him a force.
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby sKooch » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:41 pm

BitterDodgerFan wrote:
DaSh 1s wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:I'm gladd Pierre again gets a chance to start as he's a worthy weapoon.


Juan Pierre is not a good baseball player.

His last 5 season OPS+
84, 82, 77, 75, 105

Below average for four out of the past five years, playing out of the weakest division in BB.

But, but he steals bases!

Career 75 SB% Not good, not bad. But isn't 75 percent the cut off where stolen bases stop becoming effective? wOBA or EqA accounts for both SB and CS, and he is below average in both.

How much salary did they take on? Fantasy purposes, cheap SB, but real life Kenny Williams is really making a bid to lose his job. Rios, Andruw, and Juan?

all that doesn't matter in fantasy. his SBs make him a force.


Yep, PT makes him a force too. If he played every day in LA, he'd easily be a top 15 OF with those steals.
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:27 pm

sKooch wrote:Yep, PT makes him a force too. If he played every day in LA, he'd easily be a top 15 OF with those steals.


Fantasywise, ya. I don't know about Top 15 though
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:31 pm

OneLoveBoomer wrote:
DaSh 1s wrote: Rios, Andruw, and Juan?


Pierre could be just what the Sox need to turn around lineups of slow beefiness.

Andruw was super cheap, super low-risk.

Rios -- it would be foolish to give up on him just yet. I think good things could be coming from him.


Not giving up on Rios, my comment was more direct at Kenny Williams adding 130 million dollars with of salaries of Peavy, Rios, Teahan and Pierre over the last 5 monthes.
B-Chad wrote:Pedroia's LD rate of 20% is reason to believe he'll maintain a higher BA then Cano. It should also be noted he hits more FB's then Cano, which means that even if he posts a lower HR/FB then Cano, he should come in reasonably close to Cano in HR's
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:59 pm

As a Sox fan I'm pleased with the moves. If Peavy's health--awesome ... If Rios gets back in form.... Teahan has a chance to shine at 3B.
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby DaSh 1s » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:10 am

OneLoveBoomer wrote:As a Sox fan I'm pleased with the moves. If Peavy's health--awesome ... If Rios gets back in form.... Teahan has a chance to shine at 3B.


Rios has yet to be seen, but I thought the Peavy move was gutsy.

Peavy Career Home/Road Splits
PetcoERA 2.82 WHIP 1.09 SO/BB 3.67
Away ERA 3.79 WHIP 1.28 SO/BB 2.55

Now a move into the AL?
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby wrveres » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:49 pm

I haven't run any numbers or anything, but off the top of my head, i'd flip flop this guy with Bay in your rankings.

You have any idea how much Jaun Pierre wants to prove people wrong.
Ozzie will green light this guy every chance he gets.

.300ba with a ton of PA's, 100 runs, 40 sb's, off the top of my head.
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Re: Juan Pierre to the White Sox

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:24 pm

wrveres wrote:I haven't run any numbers or anything, but off the top of my head, i'd flip flop this guy with Bay in your rankings.

You have any idea how much Jaun Pierre wants to prove people wrong.
Ozzie will green light this guy every chance he gets.

.300ba with a ton of PA's, 100 runs, 40 sb's, off the top of my head.


I like it, but I bet that's pretty close to the ceiling.
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