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Re: Should I trade two prospects for CC?(WHIR)

Postby cardinal1975 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:35 pm

I would not trade a guy like Heyward unless you get exactly what you want. Chacin is a good pitching prospect and if we have learned anything the last few years it is that you can be successful in Coors. Chacin is a groundball guy with swing and miss stuff....in short the perfect guy for Coors. Let's also remember CC pitches in a park even worse than Coors which is a strike in my mind.

This guy wants Heyward from you and he needs to pay YOUR price. I do not deal Chacin or Tillman because you will need them next season. Chacin will be starting at some point in 2010 and will be the pitcher recalled from Triple A or possibly start the year in the rotation. Your pitching is weak and to give up 2 solid young guys that should contribute in 2010 and beyond seems to make little sense. You can move Heyward to quite a few owners in your league for pitching if you were so inclined....the other guy needs to know you have other options. I would wait if I did not get the price I want and I think this deal is overall fair but with CC logging a lot of innings plus pitching in New Yankee Stadium you should not be moving a can't miss type bat AND a young pitcher with potential for him....at least not yet. :-t
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Re: Should I trade two prospects for CC?(WHIR)

Postby kidsilk » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:43 pm

Now I have gotten him to do Heyward straight up for CC. Now should I pull the trigger?
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Re: Should I trade two prospects for CC?(WHIR)

Postby APAP » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:07 pm

Im with you on this one, I would lean towards accepting this. I think its the best deal youve gotten so far.
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Re: Should I trade two prospects for CC?(WHIR)

Postby C2ThaLo88 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:25 am

I'm not up to speed on all the prospects at the moment, but from what I've read in this thread I would do the deal. I'd take the stud player over the prospect. Plus you have a solid OF already and you'd be helping out a weak pitching staff. Thanks for the help on mine.
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Re: Should I trade two prospects for CC?(WHIR)

Postby B-Chad » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:51 am

I would not do the deal. The comparisons to Delmon Young in terms of guys who have been prospect busts are way off base. Delmon was a "5 tool player," who was raw and never at any point displayed the strike zone command that Heyward has. His career BB:K is a thing of beauty for a guy his age, and given that he also has the "tools," we are talking about a guy who will almost certainly be a top notch fantasy OF. He'll be entering the season at the age of 20, and will have a legit shot at being in the Majors before the ASB next year. Guys with his skillset, strike zone command, and age are a pretty safe bet to be big hits. I don't expect monster contributions year one, but I think he'll hit the ground running and be at least a mild contributor out of the gate. Bill James projections are exciting for the young man (though he is typically optimistic with his projections IMO). He has hitting .303 with 17 HR's 86 runs and 78 RBI's in 601 plate appearances. I would say it's unlikely he sees that many plate appearances, but if he were to see 400-450 I wouldn't be shocked.

I also think you are short selling some of the young guys you have in your minors as being contributors in the short term. I'd be more inclined to try and deal for a higher volume of pitchers, as they are so volatile and I don't trust any starter to stay healthy. I'm also inclined to believe that C.C. will only be putting a band aid (albeit a big one) on your pitching issues. You are going to need Tillman and others to start fullfilling their promise even with C.C. to make a leap in pitching. Hence another reason to try and deal for pitching volume and avoid dealing Heyward. I'm personally staying away, I just don't think C.C. is worth Heyward.
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