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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby AussieDodger » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:07 pm

ensanimal wrote:From Rotoworld....

MLB.com has learned that the Blue Jays may allow another team a window to negotiate a contract extension with Roy Halladay should a trade be consummated.

The reasoning behind a window being granted lies with the fact that the Blue Jays would likely receive a better package for Halladay if a contract extension could be signed. Former general manager J.P. Ricciardi would not grant such an extension. It's becoming more and more obvious that new GM Alex Anthopoulos has a far better handle on how to go about trading a superstar.
Source: MLB.com



Anyone see him getting dealt before the start of the season? :-?


They have to IMO.
They can't really make up for Ricciardi's boneheadedness, but a smart GM will make every effort to move him.
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby KCollins1304 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:30 pm

It really doesn't make any sense to me not to allow a negotiating window to a team. It doesn't cost the Blue Jays anything and can help them get a better package if an extension works out.
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby ensanimal » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:32 pm

KCollins1304 wrote:It really doesn't make any sense to me not to allow a negotiating window to a team. It doesn't cost the Blue Jays anything and can help them get a better package if an extension works out.


JP didn't make much sense.
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby mweir145 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:38 pm

ensanimal wrote:
KCollins1304 wrote:It really doesn't make any sense to me not to allow a negotiating window to a team. It doesn't cost the Blue Jays anything and can help them get a better package if an extension works out.


JP didn't make much sense.

Once again, JP had absolutely nothing to do with not trading Doc in July. He was a puppet for the entire season. Beeston had the final say in major moves, and still does.
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby mweir145 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:40 pm

Joel Sherman wrote:CHICAGO -- One of the most intriguing questions now was the most intriguing at the July 31 trade deadline as well: Will Toronto trade Roy Halladay?

In some respects, little has changed. Blue Jays officials are saying they are going to have to be wowed -- think one elite prospect as part of a package at minimum -- to consider moving Halladay. One Toronto executive said, "We would rather have one above-average impact guy than eight ordinary guys." So it is quality over quantity, or else the Jays are insisting they will try to find those high-end guys with the two draft picks they would receive in compensation if Halladay leaves in free agency.

Meanwhile, several executives said that, if anything, the offers will be worse today than in July because Halladay will be under control just for 2010 at $15.75 million before he reaches free agency.

It is believed the Red Sox had the best offer for Halladay in July, and one executive who stays in contact with Boston officials said, "No way do they include Clay Buchholz in a package now." Jays officials, at the time, said they liked Buchholz but not the rest of the Boston prospect offer.

If Halladay is going to be available this winter, three factors will be in play:

1. John Lackey is the best free-agent starter available and the pool falls off to Randy Wolf after that. The only high-end starter almost certain to be offered in trades is Atlanta's Javier Vazquez.

"A lot of teams need starting pitching, and not a lot of good starting pitching is available," an AL executive said. "So people are going to call and make good offers [for Halladay] no matter what they say now." The Yankees will, for example, at least inquire on Halladay.

2. The Jays have committed to the future by hiring what one of their executives called an "unprecedented" number of scouts, 25 for the amateurs and 25 pro. The idea of new GM Alex Anthopoulos is to try to become the best drafting and trading team in the sport -- essentially to know available players at all levels better than any other team to avoid expensive free agents.

If that is the case, and the Jays are looking long term, wouldn't it be valuable to get the best possible deal for Halladay plus use the $15.75 million in other ways? Toronto officials counter that their ownership, Rogers Communication, is the richest of any team and has no problem paying Halladay if that is what is best for the overall health of the franchise.

3. What do Halladay and team president Paul Beeston want? A few executives suggest Beeston does not want to trade arguably the best pitcher in team history, but would accommodate Halladay if one of his favorite players insisted he wants to go to a contender now.
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby Spidey » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:20 am

Sox are giving up on Halladay (good) and will work on signing Lackey. :-)

That will free up Buckholz to be traded for a big young bat. (Gonzo, MCab) ;-D

Sox also reportedly looking at Scutaro. :-/

I am still worried about OF. :-o
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby thedude » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:36 am

While Theo Epstein loves Halladay, he doesn’t love the idea of giving up Clay Buchholz and Casey Kelly in the same deal. Halladay will be 33 by next season and needs to be signed long-term. He has a gifted shoulder, yes, but much like Josh Beckett’s, it has a lot of wear and tear on it.

So the spike in Halladay-Sox reports this past week fizzled about as quickly as the Sox-Johan Santana talks two years ago. Unless some sense of realism overtakes the Blue Jays, it’s not going to happen.


Many baseball people feel Padres general manager Jed Hoyer would be crazy not to deal Gonzalez now, because he risks Gonzalez getting hurt this season and his value not being as high as it is right now. By the time the Padres are good, Gonzalez will be a $20-million-a-year player - completely out of the Padres’ price range - and by then, a big-market team like Boston may not need him.


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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby RedSoxNation04 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:18 pm

Spidey wrote:Sox also reportedly looking at Scutaro. :-/

Not a big fan of Scutaro, but they will probably overpay and get him. Really no other options out there outside of a trade that isn't on the horizon yet.
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby DaSh 1s » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:30 pm

While Theo Epstein loves Halladay, he doesn’t love the idea of giving up Clay Buchholz and Casey Kelly in the same deal. Halladay will be 33 by next season and needs to be signed long-term. He has a gifted shoulder, yes, but much like Josh Beckett’s, it has a lot of wear and tear on it.

So the spike in Halladay-Sox reports this past week fizzled about as quickly as the Sox-Johan Santana talks two years ago. Unless some sense of realism overtakes the Blue Jays, it’s not going to happen.



Gotta love how quickly the media assisted the Sox in making Kelly a cult-hero, untouchable prospect. This is the same Media Outlet that sets the price for the Yankees as Montero, Hughes/Joba, Austin Jackson

Jesus Montero, a slugging catching prospect, is the key element of any deal with the Yankees as far as the Jays are concerned. Montero is the best hitter among the Yankees' plethora of catching prospects - some scouts believe he has the potential to hit 40 home runs. The Jays likely also would require either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes in the deal and perhaps another prospect, such as outfielder Austin Jackson.

According to a source, the Red Sox hierarchy is split on acquiring Halladay. GM Theo Epstein, the source said, does not want to surrender the Sox's prime homegrown products - pitcher Clay Buchholz, shortstop/pitcher Casey Kelly and pitcher Daniel Bard - the Blue Jays are seeking. But Sox owner John Henry is believed to be the driving force behind completing a deal, the source said.


So Montero+Hughes/Joba+Austin Jackson = Buchholz+ Kelley + Bard? :-?
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Re: Hot Stove News/Rumors

Postby Havok1517 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:24 pm

RedSoxNation04 wrote:
Spidey wrote:Sox also reportedly looking at Scutaro. :-/

Not a big fan of Scutaro, but they will probably overpay and get him. Really no other options out there outside of a trade that isn't on the horizon yet.


Scutaro is a 33/34 year old career utility player that just had a career year. Scutaro wants a multi-year deal because this is likely his last chance to get one. I say let him sign elsewhere and let Lowrie attempt to stay healthy and become the starting SS. It saves you draft picks, money, and I'd wager that if Lowrie can stay healthy he'll post better numbers than Scutaro and Gonzalez for that matter. If it doesn't work out, they can always trade for a replacement just like this did last year.

I noticed that Lowrie had 25 doubles with 46 RBIs in 260 ABs (81 Games) as a 24 year old rookie in '08 before getting hurt. Those numbers equate to a pretty darn good player.

I say no to signing Scutaro as thats its not worth it.
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