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Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby dannahann » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:27 pm

Their rules don't specify if the stats from Tuesday Tigers/Twins game will count or not, only citing that the season is scheduled to end Oct 4. I can't make any bench/start moves, nor is the free agent pool open so I assume this means the play in won't count? On the other hand, the league standings do NOT say they are 'Final Standings'. I'm confused, does anyone know for sure? Thanks.
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby BALCO All-Stars » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:31 pm

On ESPN the games count towards their ROTO leagues but not their H-2-H.
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby jackie hayes » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:39 pm

Probably not. Last year the Sox-Tigers makeup game didn't even count, nor did the Sox-Twins one-game playoff. I doubt they'll change their minds this year.

This is for Yahoo -- as BALCO says, ESPN is counting it for roto.
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:04 pm

It will not count. That was added to the rules for this year, but if you couldn't find it, that probably means it wasn't added in the most helpful place. I'll mention that to somebody.
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby dannahann » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:22 pm

Fantasy Sports Genie wrote:It will not count. That was added to the rules for this year, but if you couldn't find it, that probably means it wasn't added in the most helpful place. I'll mention that to somebody.

Thanks for your response. After clicking "Rules" I looked in the section titled "Playing Season" if that helps?
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby Rance Mulliniks » Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:03 pm

Fantasy Sports Genie wrote:It will not count. That was added to the rules for this year, but if you couldn't find it, that probably means it wasn't added in the most helpful place.


Genie, did you find where is this in the rules?

Under "Playing Season", Yahoo says: "Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Baseball runs throughout the entire 2009 baseball regular season, which begins on Sunday, April 5 and is scheduled to end on Sunday, October 4." Again, since the tiebreaker is considered a regular season game by MLB, not counting it means Yahoo isn't really running through the entire 2009 baseball regular season. Though the rule does mention Oct. 4th, it only says this is when the regular season was scheduled to end (which until a tiebreaker was needed was true). It doesn't say anywhere that Oct. 4th is a cutoff for scoring.

Under "How do I win my league", Yahoo says: "All Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Baseball leagues conclude at the end of the MLB regular season. Real-life playoff games do not impact fantasy leagues." Since this 163rd game is part of the regular season, that seems to suggest it should be counted.

Although Yahoo may not have programmed for it, based on the rules as I read them, the stats from the game should count. At best, the rules as written are confusing. At worst, Yahoo isn't following its own rules. Regardless, Yahoo should clarify this in the future.

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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby Madison » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:50 pm

Rance Mulliniks wrote:Again, since the tiebreaker is considered a regular season game by MLB,


It is? :-? It shouldn't be. For all records and things, the season is 162 games. It won't happen in this case, but if someone were to enter the game tied with a record (say the single season home run record) and break it in this game, that wouldn't be kosher. If this was a make-up game due to rainout or whatever, I'd agree that the game should count for everything. Since it is an extra game, it shouldn't count for anything other than deciding who makes it into the playoffs. Got a link to where MLB has deemed this game to count for more than that?
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby J35J » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:36 pm

Madison wrote:
Rance Mulliniks wrote:Again, since the tiebreaker is considered a regular season game by MLB,


It is? :-? It shouldn't be. For all records and things, the season is 162 games. It won't happen in this case, but if someone were to enter the game tied with a record (say the single season home run record) and break it in this game, that wouldn't be kosher. If this was a make-up game due to rainout or whatever, I'd agree that the game should count for everything. Since it is an extra game, it shouldn't count for anything other than deciding who makes it into the playoffs. Got a link to where MLB has deemed this game to count for more than that?


I'm pretty sure it counts as a regular season game. If you baseballreference the 2007 Rockies or 2003 Yankees it shows 163 games and if you look up some stats for players on those teams (ie. Matsui) it shows him playing 163 games....

...someone can correct me if I'm wrong but it appears it is counted as a regular season game.
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby Madison » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:39 pm

J35J wrote:
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Rance Mulliniks wrote:Again, since the tiebreaker is considered a regular season game by MLB,


It is? :-? It shouldn't be. For all records and things, the season is 162 games. It won't happen in this case, but if someone were to enter the game tied with a record (say the single season home run record) and break it in this game, that wouldn't be kosher. If this was a make-up game due to rainout or whatever, I'd agree that the game should count for everything. Since it is an extra game, it shouldn't count for anything other than deciding who makes it into the playoffs. Got a link to where MLB has deemed this game to count for more than that?


I'm pretty sure it counts as a regular season game. If you baseballreference the 2007 Rockies or 2003 Yankees it shows 163 games and if you look up some stats for players on those teams (ie. Matsui) it shows him playing 163 games....

...someone can correct me if I'm wrong but it appears it is counted as a regular season game.


Yeah, I just did some digging and came up with the same thing. :-P

Someone needs to tie or break one of the big records (like the single season home run record) so that MLB will fix this issue (hopefully not by just sticking a * next to it).
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Re: Will play in game stats count in Yahoo roto leagues?

Postby Rance Mulliniks » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:55 pm

Madison wrote:
Someone needs to tie or break one of the big records (like the single season home run record) so that MLB will fix this issue (hopefully not by just sticking a * next to it).


I don't think it's a huge deal.

First off, is the number of games played really that determinative for individual statistics? Baseball doesn't normalize across number of innings played or number of plate appearances, so I'm not sure why games played is that key. What if someone broke a single-season record, but their team had played in dozens of extra-inning games that year? Or if a record is broken in hundreds of extra plate appearances? Plus, how many players play all 162 games in a season? This year, no Tiger OR Twin will play in 163 games (as none had played in every game up to this point).

Also, there are a few of reasons that a player could play more than 162 games. Earlier in the 20th century, if a game was tied after 5 innings and was called (due to rain, darkness, etc.), the two teams would make up an entirely new (extra) game, and the stats from both games would count. Pete Rose, for instance, played 163 games twice (for the 74 Reds and 79 Phillies). The 1989 Pirates had stats that counted from 164 games. Plus, there's a possibility that a player is traded mid-season and due to the schedule plays a game or two over 162. Should their stats count?

It is true that when MLB moved from a 154 to a 162 game schedule, they began adding asterisks to records broken in more than 154 games (like when Maury Wills broke Ty Cobb's stolen base record or Maris broke Ruth's HR record), but in this kind of case, I wouldn't think an asterisk is needed if a record is broken in a 163rd (or more) regular season game.
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