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Who do you like for the NL Cy Young in 2009?

Tim Lincecum
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41%
Chris Carpenter
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15%
Adam Wainwright
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35%
Dan Haren
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3%
Javier Vazquez
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6%
 
Total votes : 34

Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby mweir145 » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:02 pm

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Ender wrote:Halladay should win the AL CY and it really isn't much of a competition, I guess the voters will probably go with Sabathia probably as a gimme since he should have probably won the NL CY last year but just had the split season thing going on and they seem to hate picking a pitcher on a bad team.

16 of Halladay's 30 starts have been against the top 4 offenses in baseball (using OPS) compared to 5 out of 31 with Greinke. The difference between the quality of his opponents and everyone else's is just enormous.

So is the difference between Toronto's Gold Glove defense and Kansas City's Little League defense.

Ender's reply was sufficient.
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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby Ender » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:27 pm

The problem with xFIP is that the only adjustment it makes is for HR/FB


Not true at all, it corrects for LOB%, HR/FB and BABIP.

tRA only corrects for LOB% and nothing else, tRA is just a better version of ERA. It describes what actually happened in a better way than ERA does, it doesn't really correct for luck all that much.

As for HR/FB being a skill, sure to some extent it can be. It is also dependent on the competition you face and the park you play in. Same can be said for BABIP and LOB% though which other stats are correcting for. There is no perfect stat so it is going to be subjective, I was just saying if you are going to try to find some magic number that tells the story I think xFIP is probably the best of them for now.
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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby Big Pimpin » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:35 pm

Ender wrote:
The problem with xFIP is that the only adjustment it makes is for HR/FB


Not true at all, it corrects for LOB%, HR/FB and BABIP.

tRA only corrects for LOB% and nothing else, tRA is just a better version of ERA. It describes what actually happened in a better way than ERA does, it doesn't really correct for luck all that much.

As for HR/FB being a skill, sure to some extent it can be. It is also dependent on the competition you face and the park you play in. Same can be said for BABIP and LOB% though which other stats are correcting for. There is no perfect stat so it is going to be subjective, I was just saying if you are going to try to find some magic number that tells the story I think xFIP is probably the best of them for now.


Ah, you're right because FIP is adjusted for that and xFIP adjusts the HR component of FIP... Duh. :*)

But you'll also notice I didn't say tRA, I said tRA*. ;-)
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Re: NL Cy Young?

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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby mweir145 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:18 pm

JTWood wrote:Image

Troy Glaus is healthy? 8-o

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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby AussieDodger » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:24 pm

mweir145 wrote:
JTWood wrote:Image

Troy Glaus is healthy? 8-o

:-D


Bastid, if he took the rest of the year off he'd be playing for the A's in '10 :-C
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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:04 pm

I love how the AL Cy Young conversation is 155 replies long and counting, because it's basically entirely about Halladay, and therefore, mweir and his xFIP/tRA* camp. The NL Cy Young conversation is 16 replies and counting, and like half of them are related to Halladay. :-B
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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby AussieDodger » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:17 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:I love how the AL Cy Young conversation is 155 replies long and counting, because it's basically entirely about Halladay, and therefore, mweir and his xFIP/tRA* camp. The NL Cy Young conversation is 16 replies and counting, and like half of them are related to Halladay. :-B


Yo Neato, I'm really happy for you, and imma let you finish, but if you wind all post replies back to site average, the NL Cy Young debate is easily the largest on the site - because reply count is clearly luck based.
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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby GiantsFan14 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:20 pm

AussieDodger wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:I love how the AL Cy Young conversation is 155 replies long and counting, because it's basically entirely about Halladay, and therefore, mweir and his xFIP/tRA* camp. The NL Cy Young conversation is 16 replies and counting, and like half of them are related to Halladay. :-B


Yo Neato, I'm really happy for you, and imma let you finish, but if you wind all post replies back to site average, the NL Cy Young debate is easily the largest on the site - because reply count is clearly luck based.


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Re: NL Cy Young?

Postby mweir145 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:40 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:I love how the AL Cy Young conversation is 155 replies long and counting, because it's basically entirely about Halladay, and therefore, mweir and his xFIP/tRA* camp. The NL Cy Young conversation is 16 replies and counting, and like half of them are related to Halladay. :-B

Meh, I didn't bring up Halladay in this one. But he probably deserves a mention in every thread because he's just that good.
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