jfg wrote:Madison, I'm with you on all counts, but don't you wonder what was happening on school time? I'm not saying it was harmful, but I think it deserves to be investigated. Religion does not belong in schools unless it's in a class that is fairly studying multiple religions. That's the way it needs to be to keep the principles of our country in tact. Once that is lost, we've thrown away the reason this country came to exist in the first place. Of all people, I think you would be the first to agree with that.
The majority of the world believes in a higher being of some sort. Expecting the topic to never be discussed while on school property seems to me to be a bit of a silly expectation. Not to mention there are much more damaging things that can and should be "investigated" or taken care of. Let's rid schools of all guns and drugs for starters. Accomplish that, and then we can talk about what's next to investigate.
bigH0rt wrote:Why can't we have both?
As a teacher you know that schools don't have an unlimited money supply. The money and time need to be invested into eliminating the most dangerous things, rather than wasting both on something far less damaging/important. Once #1 is gone (drugs), move to #2 (guns). Once #2 is gone, move to #3 (gangs). A discussion about religion certainly doesn't rank very highly on the list.
acsguitar wrote:How did these kids suddenly decide to become christian?
Who says they were not Christians before? One can be a Christian and not be baptized. I didn't see anywhere in the article where anyone "converted" from a different religion.
acsguitar wrote:I'm ranting against forcing religious beliefs on people in school.
You keep saying that yet you've given zero proof that your accusation happened. Everything in the article contradicts what you're saying, other than a parent or two who's attempting to slander the coach/school for their kid's problem of not telling them about the trip.
chadlincoln wrote:You don't think science teachers influence kids about the origin of the universe depending on what they personally believe?
"The Big Bang" theory anyone? Not saying it didn't happen or anything because I believe the science that says it did, but Christians do not believe the human race was started via evolution from The Big Bang. Yet I don't see people up in arms to get the "theory" removed from the classroom. Talk about a double-standard...
Art Vandelay wrote:How am I supposed to argue in support of this without using my own personal beliefs to support my claim? The benefit is that 16-year-olds will be treated as adults, which is how I believe it should be. A lot of 16-year-olds make stupid decisions, all of them, most likely. I certainly did. Heck, I still do. As do a lot of 18-year-olds, 21-year-olds, 30-year-olds, 45-year-olds, and 90-year-olds. I think people with the capacity should have control over their own lives. I think most 16-year-olds have that capacity, even if they don't necessarily utilize it.
It's an interesting puzzle, isn't it? Personally, rather than age, I'd love to see some sort of aptitude test be the measuring stick instead of how many days someone has been breathing. Unfortunately, getting a "good" test that would do the job would probably prove impossible to do.
Dan Lambskin wrote:well, i didnt take a general science class in high school, we had Biology, Chemistry, Physics for kids that were considered "college bound" and Earth Science or something like that...so maybe that was covered there...i really dont know
Think further back. My kid is in 5th grade, been publicly schooled his whole life, and has already learned about the Big Bang Theory and it wasn't this year.
acsguitar wrote:1. The coach goes against the law in Kentucky or BARELY skirts the law
Not only is discussing your faith in a god NOT against the law, it is expressly PROTECTED by law.
acsguitar wrote:3. The coach uses his power as a person in authority to "suggest" people join his religion. Apparently assuming that no one would be at all worried that if they don't go to this Religious service they might be cut
The coach did no such thing. The Supreme Court has stated there must be coercion involved in the situation for it to be unlawful. Since the kids were allowed to go or allowed to stay home with zero consequence either way, there is no coercion.
acsguitar wrote:4. The superintendent lets him use the SCHOOL VAN! oh but he paid for gas so thats ok. Did the van have the schools emblem on it? What if the van was in an accident. I'm sure tax payers would love that.
School vehicles are used for any number of things. Prohibiting use of the school van for this function would violate state law if it has ever been used for any other non-school function in the past. Public Accommodations laws have been on the books for decades, and religion has always been a protected basis. Had the school denied the use of the van for this event they would have violated the law.
Mookie4ever wrote:I only read the original article and not any of the 15 pages of posts. All I can say is that I am disgusted by what the coach did and what the priest did.
This is a sacrament and is supposed to be taken seriously. You don't sneak kids off and do this in an afternoon. Not only do the parents have to consent but they have to be involved. It isn't just a bath it's so much more. You have to be a member of the church first of all. At a minimum you have to take a course so that the priest knows that you know what you are getting into. Was this done in some two bit church that does drive in weddings too? Totally ridiculous. If anyone did this to my kid I would punch their lights out. The disrespect shown to the parents and to the sacrament is revolting.
Read the thread Mookie. It's basically you and ACS on that side of the coin. Need I say more?
Mookie4ever wrote:If you baptize, bar mitzvah or bring my kid to a coven gathering without my say so you should get the same thing.
What if you're kid knew all the details about the trip and did it anyway without telling you all of the details ahead of time? His fault or the coach's? If you say the coach's, you're shielding your kid from his responsiblity to himself and to you. If you say your kid, then your entire argument is out the window. Pick!
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