Mookie4ever wrote:I only read the original article and not any of the 15 pages of posts. All I can say is that I am disgusted by what the coach did and what the priest did.
This is a sacrament and is supposed to be taken seriously. You don't sneak kids off and do this in an afternoon. Not only do the parents have to consent but they have to be involved. It isn't just a bath it's so much more. You have to be a member of the church first of all. At a minimum you have to take a course so that the priest knows that you know what you are getting into. Was this done in some two bit church that does drive in weddings too? Totally ridiculous. If anyone did this to my kid I would punch their lights out. The disrespect shown to the parents and to the sacrament is revolting.
Woo I have 1 person on my side! YEA!
I had agreed with you as well, though a lot more like what Mookie said than you.
Basically, it was dumb of the coach to not seek formal consent from the parents before doing this, I'd say the same thing if he packed them all up and took them to an amusement park without all the parents knowing. I don't think he was brainwashing or acting maliciously, but it was an oversight on his part to not call the parents or have a permission slip.
Mookie4ever wrote:This is a sacrament and is supposed to be taken seriously. You don't sneak kids off and do this in an afternoon.
There's no evidence of sneaking. There is evidence to the contrary.
Mookie4ever wrote:Not only do the parents have to consent but they have to be involved.
In your opinion. It's a valid opinion, but it is just your opinion.
Mookie4ever wrote:You have to be a member of the church first of all. At a minimum you have to take a course so that the priest knows that you know what you are getting into.
Completely wrong. If this is how your church does it then they are in the minority and they are wrong.
Mookie4ever wrote:You have to be a member of the church first of all. At a minimum you have to take a course so that the priest knows that you know what you are getting into.
Completely wrong. If this is how your church does it then they are in the minority and they are wrong.
with so many different sects (right word )of christianity it's impossible to say who's right and wrong and who's in the majority/minority...and even among those sects/groups they probably do things differently
Mookie4ever wrote:This is a sacrament and is supposed to be taken seriously. You don't sneak kids off and do this in an afternoon.
There's no evidence of sneaking. There is evidence to the contrary.
Mookie4ever wrote:Not only do the parents have to consent but they have to be involved.
In your opinion. It's a valid opinion, but it is just your opinion.
Mookie4ever wrote:You have to be a member of the church first of all. At a minimum you have to take a course so that the priest knows that you know what you are getting into.
Completely wrong. If this is how your church does it then they are in the minority and they are wrong.
My church is wrong?!? That's extremely presumptuous of you. fyi I'm Catholic and there are 1.4 billion of us. We're the minority? (dusts off shoulders)
Explain to me why this would not require the family's participation. The age of majority in KY is 18. These kids were 16. Are you saying that this is not an important event? It is not a contract? A 16 year old is not allowed to enter a contract in KY. Unless you do not take the sacrament seriously there is no argument in support of doing this without the family.
Here's another one - marriage is also a sacrament. You can only get married if you are of the age of majority. In KY that is 18.
Of course some people just can't keep their hands off of young girls this has been changed in KY to 16 but only with parental consent.
I'm not saying that this is only b/c marriage is a sacrament but it is clearly society's recognition that kids cannot make these serious decisions on their own. So if you think that baptism is a serious decision this should not be done to someone younger than 18 without parental consent.
If they did this to my kid I would have pulled out my cat-o-nine tails on that coach and priest. Nobody's going to screw up my kids life but me dammit.
Mookie4ever wrote:You have to be a member of the church first of all. At a minimum you have to take a course so that the priest knows that you know what you are getting into.
Completely wrong. If this is how your church does it then they are in the minority and they are wrong.
with so many different sects (right word )of christianity it's impossible to say who's right and wrong and who's in the majority/minority...and even among those sects/groups they probably do things differently
Not as complicated as it sounds. If you're a group purporting to do the will of the Almighty, but come up with a set of rules all your own completely separate from what are accepted to be divinely inspired works, chances are you are wrong.
Scripture has no such restrictions, so clearly any group that has such a rule made it up themselves.
<edit> This has to be what acs what hoping for all along - that we would start arguing amongst ourselves.
Mookie4ever wrote:My church is wrong?!? That's extremely presumptuous of you. fyi I'm Catholic and there are 1.4 billion of us. We're the minority? (dusts off shoulders)
Being the oldest or the largest (or in your case both) doesn't make you the rightest(??)
So yes, in terms of membership that's a huge church, but really only one church among the multitudes.
Mookie4ever wrote:Explain to me why this would not require the family's participation. The age of majority in KY is 18. These kids were 16. Are you saying that this is not an important event? It is not a contract? A 16 year old is not allowed to enter a contract in KY. Unless you do not take the sacrament seriously there is no argument in support of doing this without the family.
Who cares what the age of consent is in KY? (We are talking about the state, not the jelly right?)
The state has no rules concerning when a child can be baptized - they couldn't. Any even if they give a guideline, why would the church consider Word of Man > Word of God? Of that's right, you're Catholic
Mookie4ever wrote:Explain to me why this would not require the family's participation. The age of majority in KY is 18. These kids were 16. Are you saying that this is not an important event? It is not a contract? A 16 year old is not allowed to enter a contract in KY. Unless you do not take the sacrament seriously there is no argument in support of doing this without the family.
Who cares what the age of consent is in KY? (We are talking about the state, not the jelly right?)
The state has no rules concerning when a child can be baptized - they couldn't. Any even if they give a guideline, why would the church consider Word of Man > Word of God? Of that's right, you're Catholic
I'm not saying that they broke the law, I'm saying that hey should get their asses kicked. If you baptize, bar mitzvah or bring my kid to a coven gathering without my say so you should get the same thing. What's next, are they going to walk around with water guns filled with holy water and sneak up on people? This is a holy sacrament not the Lost Boys.
btw, don't be nasty about Catholics, I've never said a mean word about hicks
Mookie4ever wrote:btw, don't be nasty about Catholics, I've never said a mean word about hicks
I LOL'ed
I just don't see the insidious behavior you're seeing here. This was a church gathering. People bring friends, acquaintances, neighbors to such things all the time. That's actually encouraged. The goal being to share the gospel (or good news) with them. Sometimes those people choose to respond to it. I don't think it's a requirement of the church to check ID cards at the door.
I think if these parents have a beef with anyone, it's with their own kids.
I'll apologize to any that disagree with me up front, sorry but that coach is an idiot, legal or not, to a 16 year old kid on a football team, what the coach says- goes. Props to the kids that didn't go, and props to the 1st parent that smacks this dude upside the head.
Mookie4ever wrote:I'm not saying that they broke the law, I'm saying that hey should get their asses kicked.
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