We keep 7 players and lose the round they are drafted in for as long as the league goes so late round bargains are great in this league. I have a lot of guys I am considering keeping right now here is a list of my team with the round drafted in. Also if I keep multiple guys from the same round I'll lose the next rounds pick so if I keep Rollins/Cabrera I'd lose my 1st/2nd. I also left out my relievers, not going to keep any of them. Leave a link and I will get back to your questions, if you wouldn't mind leave a little reasoning by the guys that would be appreciated. Thanks guys
C - R Martin(4th) 1st/Util - M Cabrera(1st), Votto(8th), K Morales(last round), DeRosa(14th), C Davis(5th) 2nd - B Roberts(2nd) SS - J Rollins(1st) 3rd - D Wright(1st) LF - C Crawford(2nd) CF - N McClouth(5th), R Davis(last round) RF - D Span(last round) SP - Ervin Santana(8th), Clayton Richard(last round), Tommy Hunter(last round), Joel Pineiro(last round), Scott Baker(12th), Matt Garza(15th)
The good news is you have a lot of talented guys. The bad news is that you don't have a lot of late round bargains....or even early round bargains, for that matter. Unfortunately, I think you are going to have to use up many of your early round picks.
I tried to fill your list with late" round bargains so that you could keep most of your early draft picks, but I just couldn't do it.
I think you need to keep M. Cabrera. He's a top-5 guy and a no doubt about it 1st rounder. Since you don't have enough "bargains" you gotta take Cabrera, who is a fair value with a 1st round pick (especially if you have a late pick in the 1st round).
The next guy you gotta keep is Crawford. Again, no bargain here, but he is certainly a fair value as a 2nd round pick....I think he is a borderline 1st rounder next season.
Now it starts to get wierd. I wouldn't use up a1st round pick on Wright, but you have already used up your 1st and 2nd rounders......so Wright really only costs you a 3rd round pick....which is fair value. So I add Wright to the list.
Which brings us to Brian Roberts. Clearly not worth a 2nd round pick...and only borderline for a 3rd round pick. But now he is only costing you a 4th round pick, which seems like a nice value to me.
Sure, you have lost your top 4 draft picks, but I think most people would be happy to have M. Cabrera, Crawford, Wright and Roberts heading into the 5th round of their draft.
Ok, now we can start looking at the "bargains on your list." I think votto is a bargain (or at least fair market value) with an 8th round pick. Kendry Morales is a steal with a last round pick. Matt Garza (15th) is probably your best value among your pitchers, so I'd go with him.
Chris Davis, McLouth and Martiin are all bad values at their draft position. Rollins is probably fair value at what essentially would be a 5th round pick, If you prefer him over Votto or Garza i wouldn't blame you. So, here is the cliff notes version:
M. Cabrera (1st) C. Crawford (2nd) D. Wright (3rd) B. Roberts (4th) J. Votto (8th) M. Garza (15th) K. Morales (last)
da bears wrote:We keep 7 players and lose the round they are drafted in for as long as the league goes so late round bargains are great in this league. I have a lot of guys I am considering keeping right now here is a list of my team with the round drafted in. Also if I keep multiple guys from the same round I'll lose the next rounds pick so if I keep Rollins/Cabrera I'd lose my 1st/2nd. I also left out my relievers, not going to keep any of them. Leave a link and I will get back to your questions, if you wouldn't mind leave a little reasoning by the guys that would be appreciated. Thanks guys
C - R Martin(4th) 1st/Util - M Cabrera(1st), Votto(8th), K Morales(last round), DeRosa(14th), C Davis(5th) 2nd - B Roberts(2nd) SS - J Rollins(1st) 3rd - D Wright(1st) LF - C Crawford(2nd) CF - N McClouth(5th), R Davis(last round) RF - D Span(last round) SP - Ervin Santana(8th), Clayton Richard(last round), Tommy Hunter(last round), Joel Pineiro(last round), Scott Baker(12th), Matt Garza(15th)
With this selection, you'd have 1B/2B/3B/SS/OF/1B/SP locked up. I like Votto as an 8th round pick, but I don't like freezing Miggy/Votto/Morales (too many 1B).
Morales last round is an absolute steal, and a sure-fire keeper.
Depending on the other 3B being kept, I would be inclined to keep Wright even at the cost of a 1st round pick because of the scarcity of the position next year. If guys like Longoria, Arod, and Zimmerman are being kept for next year, I would think you have to protect Wright. If you decided to keep Wright, I would automatically protect Miguel Cabrera by having him being a second-round selection for you. In reality, drafting Wright/MCab with your first two picks would be an excellent start to any draft.
Votto at 8 seems like good enough value. I like Rajai Davis as a last-rounder more so than McClouth as a 5th or Crawford as a 2nd, but if you could protect Crawford as a "3rd rounder" by selecting him after Wright and Mcab, that wouldn't be too bad. (Crawford as ur 3rd round pick).
I don't like your pitchers too much, but Baker in the 12th seems about right. You're not getting a lot of value out of him, but that's where he would go, and it's nice to protect one of your young guys.
So... Wright (give up 1st), MCab (give up 2nd) Crawford (give up 3rd), Votto (give up 8th), Baker (give up 12th), Morales (give up last), Rajai, (give up 2nd-to last)
I would pass on Roberts because of the glut of mid-level 2Bs that are emerging. I think Rollins at SS is a better value, along with Votto, even with multiple 1B. You could trade Votto or Morales after.
Any other thoughts on my keeper decision? Been a while but I'm going to have to decide soon wouldn't mind a little more info. Thanks a lot as usual guys
Votto and Morales are great values. I believe Votto will post top 50-60 ish numbers this season, and Morales in the last is a slam dunk. While you won't have a selection until the 6th I think you need to keep your best players in this instance.
Cabrera was a slam dunk because he is a true 1st round value. Wright wasn't a slam dunk, but given his track record and position, 2nd round seemed fair value. Rollins isn't really a great value as a 3rd rounder, but you are plugging up SS with a solid power/speed guy, and most likely you can replace him at season's end with a "steal" you select this season. Crawford becomes a steal in the 4th (especially if your league is 5x5 roto), and Roberts is a solid value in the 5th. At this point you'll have 2B/SS/3B filled with upper tier talent for the position. The combo of Crawford/Rollins/Roberts/Wright gives you a great SB base and you've got some pop with Votto/Morales/Cabrera and possibly Wright. Your BA should be great, and you have run producers. You'll be going in with no pitchers, but I just don't think Baker and Garza will perform well enough to justify giving up your other talent for a "marginal" value. While the 15th is a nice value for Garza, I don't know as though it's a "steal," worth giving up one of your bats. Especially when a good draft with late round values will leave you cutting him going into 2011 anyways.
To follow that up, I'd probably try and get 2 of Buster Posey/Carlos Santana/Chris Carter/Jason Heyward even if you have to reach a bit as they have superstar potential and in order to get a true steal with this format you'll probably have to take them in higher then they'll likely be able to justify this season alone. That said a 16-18 round pick on Posey/Santana could net you a top 5 catcher going forward and look like a genius move as soon as 2011. Good luck!
To follow that up, I'd probably try and get 2 of Buster Posey/Carlos Santana/Chris Carter/Jason Heyward even if you have to reach a bit as they have superstar potential and in order to get a true steal with this format you'll probably have to take them in higher then they'll likely be able to justify this season alone. That said a 16-18 round pick on Posey/Santana could net you a top 5 catcher going forward and look like a genius move as soon as 2011. Good luck!
The people in this league are big on taking flyers on prospects, Posey is actually already on a roster although not sure he gets kept. I definitely will be looking at those guys but I can also keep G Soto for a 10th round pick which is somewhat appealing over Votto cause I will have to trade either Votto, Morales, or Cabrera since I can only start two of them. Is Bumgarner not worth the last round flyer instead of one of the 1st basemen? Thanks again.
To follow that up, I'd probably try and get 2 of Buster Posey/Carlos Santana/Chris Carter/Jason Heyward even if you have to reach a bit as they have superstar potential and in order to get a true steal with this format you'll probably have to take them in higher then they'll likely be able to justify this season alone. That said a 16-18 round pick on Posey/Santana could net you a top 5 catcher going forward and look like a genius move as soon as 2011. Good luck!
The people in this league are big on taking flyers on prospects, Posey is actually already on a roster although not sure he gets kept. I definitely will be looking at those guys but I can also keep G Soto for a 10th round pick which is somewhat appealing over Votto cause I will have to trade either Votto, Morales, or Cabrera since I can only start two of them. Is Bumgarner not worth the last round flyer instead of one of the 1st basemen? Thanks again.
When is your keeper deadline? There were reports this year of Bumgarner's velocity being down, and his K/9 dropped when advancing to Double-A this year. Personally I'm encouraged by the fact he had so much success in spite of the velocity being down on his fastball. Others are discouraged by the drop, and ranking prospects is a fickle activity (just take a peak at the minors/college baseball forum and the top 50 thread...). That said, as a last round pick I'd have some intrigue in keeping him if you are able to see what his velocity starts registering come the spring. If it's back to where it was in 2008 I'd jump all over keeping him... the problem is that the odd man out to me appears to be Votto if that's the case. I'd put some feelers out to the other owners as to their interest in Miguel Cabrera and Joey Votto. Cabrera is a no brainer 1st round selection making the loss of the pick fair value, but I could easily see Votto going 90-30-105 .310 with like 8-10 SB's which would be far better then an 8th round pick. Morales in the last round is a must have.
I guess I'm going to talk in circles now and probably pass up keeping Bumgarner, only because you should be able to get a better value in return for keeping and trading either Votto or Cabrera. If you think you'll have no leverage and get murdered in a deal, consider tossing back Votto I suppose, but I'd start burning up the trade lines with Cabrera and try an OF of equal value back I suppose.
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