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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby AquaMan2342 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:29 pm

I loled because of the irony
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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby TheRock » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:40 pm

Dan Lambskin wrote:
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Classy as usual Rock... :-t

Do you normally devote this much time and energy towards hating people?


i LOLed


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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby Yoda » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:31 pm

TheRock wrote:
Dan Lambskin wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Classy as usual Rock... :-t

Do you normally devote this much time and energy towards hating people?


i LOLed


Yeah, Yoda's entertaining to keep around.


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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:17 pm

Lots of good info here, including how this issue became public and how they conduct some of their analysis.

news.bbc.co.uk wrote:New twist in Semenya gender saga

Tests have revealed Caster Semenya's testosterone level to be three times higher than those normally expected in a female sample, BBC Sport understands.
...
A high level of the hormone does not always equate to a failed drugs test.

But the news will only increase speculation surrounding Semenya, who arrived back in South Africa to a rapturous welcome on Tuesday.
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Only hours before the race, it leaked out that the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) had demanded Semenya take a gender test amid fears she should not be allowed to run as a woman.

It has since emerged that news of the test only became public knowledge because a fax was sent to the wrong person.

It has also been revealed that following the findings of initial tests, the South Africans were asked by the IAAF to withdraw her from the team at the World Championships.

Since then, both her family and South African athletics chiefs have leapt to her defence, insisting she is 100% female.
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Testosterone levels can vary widely, which makes it hard to detect possible infractions.

When analysis shows an athlete to have a raised level, they are monitored at regular intervals over a set period to establish what their underlying levels would be.

That is then used as a marker for the future, so any sharp differences immediately stand out as suspicious.

An analysis of Semenya's testosterone levels was carried out in South Africa and it is understood that this information contributed to the IAAF's decision to request the ASA carry out a detailed "gender verification" test on the athlete.

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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby bigh0rt » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:27 pm

StlSluggers wrote:Lots of good info here, including how this issue became public and how they conduct some of their analysis.

news.bbc.co.uk wrote:New twist in Semenya gender saga

Tests have revealed Caster Semenya's testosterone level to be three times higher than those normally expected in a female sample, BBC Sport understands.
...
A high level of the hormone does not always equate to a failed drugs test.

But the news will only increase speculation surrounding Semenya, who arrived back in South Africa to a rapturous welcome on Tuesday.
...
Only hours before the race, it leaked out that the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) had demanded Semenya take a gender test amid fears she should not be allowed to run as a woman.

It has since emerged that news of the test only became public knowledge because a fax was sent to the wrong person.

It has also been revealed that following the findings of initial tests, the South Africans were asked by the IAAF to withdraw her from the team at the World Championships.

Since then, both her family and South African athletics chiefs have leapt to her defence, insisting she is 100% female.
...
Testosterone levels can vary widely, which makes it hard to detect possible infractions.

When analysis shows an athlete to have a raised level, they are monitored at regular intervals over a set period to establish what their underlying levels would be.

That is then used as a marker for the future, so any sharp differences immediately stand out as suspicious.

An analysis of Semenya's testosterone levels was carried out in South Africa and it is understood that this information contributed to the IAAF's decision to request the ASA carry out a detailed "gender verification" test on the athlete.

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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby Yoda » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:31 pm

Either way, some people are going to look really stupid since all signs are pointing towards no definitive answers on the gender question.
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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:36 pm

bigh0rt wrote:You're awful concerned about this whole thing. Afraid they're gonna come knockin' on your door next?

You're awfully concerned about what I'm concerned about. You thinking of driving race cars?
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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby knapplc » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:26 pm

OK, so it became public that this was going on because of a missent fax. Fine, mistakes happen. So why continue to talk about it if the leak was a mistake? What's wrong with "No comment?"

The IAFF doesn't seem too concerned with this woman's privacy. I find that really odd.
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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby Inukchuk » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:22 pm

TheRock wrote: - Can he/she drive a stick shift?


I thought we were leaving sexual orientation out of this... :-?
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Re: "Female" S. African runner has to be a dude

Postby knapplc » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:29 am

They're letting her keep her gold medal, so although they're not making the test results public, I'm guessing it came back that she's a girl.

(CNN) -- South African runner Caster Semenya will be allowed to keep the gold medal she won in the women's 800-meters at the World Athletics Championships in Berlin, Germany, in August, the country's sports ministry announced Thursday.

In a statement on their official Web site the ministry added that Semenya had been found innocent of any wrongdoing but the widely anticipated results of gender tests conducted would not be made public.


My guess - she is gender ambiguous, but "female enough" to be female. I don't envy that. It could be difficult to find understanding amongst a lot of people in those circumstances.
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