Been working on this for last few days. This year was my 1st playing Fantasy Baseball. I have fluxuated from 6th-9th pretty much all season and do not see myself making a late season comeback. Therefore I am looking into next year. Pitching was a big weakness of mine this season (drafted Volquez, Carmona, Liriano and Harrang (one pick before Verlander.) Gave up on Lester and Nolasco too soon.) I have learned so much from the Cafe this year and value everyones opinon. I have done my best to compile a top 100 list for the pitchers I think will have the most value going into next years drafts. Trades or Injuries, ect. Could obviously change things but as of right now this is what I have. Would love some input.
Rnk Player Team 1 Tim Linceum SF 2 Johan Santana NYM 3 Roy Halladay TOR 4 CC Sabathia NYY 5 Dan Haren ARZ 6 Felix Hernandez SEA 7 Justin Verlander DET 8 Zach Greinke KC 9 Josh Beckett BOS 10 Jake Peavy CWS 11 Cliff Lee PHI 12 Chad Billingsley LAD 13 Jon Lester BOS 14 Chris Carpenter STL 15 Clayton Kershaw LAD 16 Cole Hamels PHI 17 Josh Johnson FLA 18 Adam Wainwright STL 19 Yovani Gallardo MIL 20 Matt Cain STL 21 Erik Bedard SEA 22 Javier Vazquez ATL 23 Matt Garza TB 24 James Shields TB 25 John Lackey LAA 26 Brandon Webb ARZ 27 Roy Oswalt HOU 28 Joba Chamberlain NYY 29 A.J. Burnett NYY 30 Rickey Nolasco FLA 31 Rich Harden CHC 32 Tommy Hansen ATL 33 David Price TB 34 Max Sherzer ARZ 35 Jered Weaver LAA 36 Ubaldo Jimenez COL 37 Edwin Jackson DET 38 Gavin Floyd CWS 39 Jair Jurrjens ATL 40 John Danks CWS 41 Carlos Zambrano CHC 42 Ted Lilly CHC 43 Randy Wolf LAD 44 Wandy Rodriguez HOU 45 Ryan Dempster CHC 46 Mark Buehrle CWS 47 Stephen Strasburg WAS 48 Rick Porcello DET 49 Zach Duke PIT 50 Scott Baker MIN 51 Scott Kazmir TB 52 Neftali Feliz TEX 53 Brian Matusz BAL 54 Chris Tillman BAL 55 Derrick Holland TEX 56 Francisco Liriano MIN 57 Ervin Santana LAA 58 Hideki Kuroda LAD 59 Brett Anderson OAK 60 Justin Masterson CLE 61 JA Happ PHI 62 Joe Blanton PHI 63 Daisuke Matsuzaka BOS 64 Jorge De La Rosa COL 65 Dallas Braden OAK 66 Aaron Harrang CIN 67 Jonathon Sanchez SF 68 Jordan Zimmerman WAS 69 Tim Hudson ATL 70 Jeff Niemann TB 71 Kevin Slowey MIN 72 Derek Lowe LAD 73 Clayton Richard SD 74 Kenshin Kawakami ATL 75 James McDonald LAD 76 Jeremy Guthrie BAL 77 Aaron Laffey CLE 78 John Lannan WAS 79 Chris Volstad FLA 80 Gil Meche KC 81 Jarrod Washburn DET 82 Joel Pinerio STL 83 Kevin Millwood TEX 84 Jason Marquis COL 85 Johnny Cueto CIN 86 Doug Davis ARZ 87 Randy Wells CHC 88 Rickey Romero TOR 89 Anibal Sanchez FLA 90 Clay Bucholtz BOS 91 Jeremy Bonderman DET 92 Barry Zito SF 93 Jake Westbrook CLE 94 Koji Uehara BAL 95 Adam Miller FLA 96 Tommy Hunter TEX 97 Tom Gorzelanny CHC 98 Gio Gonzalez OAK 99 Junichi Tazawa BOS 100 Fausto Carmona CLE
Carpenter(above Vazquez? really? i doubt it) Wainwright too highm. Joba i like a lot but not ready to put him there right now.
You do realize Brandon webb will miss all of next season and who knows how he comes back off that surgery on that shoulder, I would not even sniff him anywhere near that spot where you have him.
High Inside Heater wrote:Vazquez, Cain, Romero all too low(Romero esp)
Carpenter(above Vazquez? really? i doubt it) Wainwright too highm. Joba i like a lot but not ready to put him there right now.
You do realize Brandon webb will miss all of next season and who knows how he comes back off that surgery on that shoulder, I would not even sniff him anywhere near that spot where you have him.
I'm not touching Cain next year, his stats are so heavily luck based so far. I agree with Carpenter though, just too risky to take him that high. I'm pretty unimpressed by Romero(80% strand rate is driving a good chunk of that success) so not sure I think he is too low.
List looks ok overall, too early to really argue specifics too much but I think you have the right general idea for how to evaluate pitchers, even if I disagree with some random ones.
High Inside Heater wrote:Vazquez, Cain, Romero all too low(Romero esp)
Carpenter(above Vazquez? really? i doubt it) Wainwright too highm. Joba i like a lot but not ready to put him there right now.
You do realize Brandon webb will miss all of next season and who knows how he comes back off that surgery on that shoulder, I would not even sniff him anywhere near that spot where you have him.
I'm not touching Cain next year, his stats are so heavily luck based so far. I agree with Carpenter though, just too risky to take him that high. I'm pretty unimpressed by Romero(80% strand rate is driving a good chunk of that success) so not sure I think he is too low.
List looks ok overall, too early to really argue specifics too much but I think you have the right general idea for how to evaluate pitchers, even if I disagree with some random ones.
Meh i would have to disagree with Cain, i really like how he has pitched since going into the allstar break. granted i think his seasons start was more luck based but hes pitched very solid since. He has the type of movement on his pitches that just misses bats. I doubt anyone takes Carpenter that high yeah... agree there. Romero should be higher then where he has him listed and your right on the strand rate but that kid has plus stuff esp with that changeup and i think he will improve some next year. still he's way to low on the list i wouldnt bump him up much but just a little.
Until Joba shows he can go the distance and give me 200 IP then i would have a hard time rating him that high, his ceiling is high but not right now for me. Also would have to argue Verlander is about where he should be, I wouldnt lower him maybe but a spot or two he's interchangeable with Grienke imo.
High Inside Heater wrote:Vazquez, Cain, Romero all too low(Romero esp)
Carpenter(above Vazquez? really? i doubt it) Wainwright too highm. Joba i like a lot but not ready to put him there right now.
You do realize Brandon webb will miss all of next season and who knows how he comes back off that surgery on that shoulder, I would not even sniff him anywhere near that spot where you have him.
I'm not touching Cain next year, his stats are so heavily luck based so far. I agree with Carpenter though, just too risky to take him that high. I'm pretty unimpressed by Romero(80% strand rate is driving a good chunk of that success) so not sure I think he is too low.
List looks ok overall, too early to really argue specifics too much but I think you have the right general idea for how to evaluate pitchers, even if I disagree with some random ones.
I disagree... the only stat that has been luck based is his wins. Every season he finishes with a great multi-cat line.... K, era, k/9, QS, etc. Have all been quite consistentover the past few years, and most of them have been getting steadily better year after year. The only thing that's a mystery going into every year is his Wins. And that was because he had one of the worst run supports in the majors the past few years. If the Giants can find a way to make their offense a little better this offseason, I see no reason why he can't match or come close to his win total for this year.
Cain has an xFIP of 4.32 right now. His K/9 is 7.7 which is right where it was the last 2 seasons. His BB/9 is 3.5 which is a tiny bit improved. His GB% is 37.3% which is right in line with his last 3 years. His LOB% is a staggering 86.5% which is nowhere near sustainable and what is driving his ERA more than any improvement.
Overall he is throwing a few more strikes which is getting him deeper into games and improving his BB/9 so he has shown some growth, but this is still a 3.50 ERA type pitcher and not a real ace. IF he got traded to the AL East I'd take the over on a 4 ERA. He is just going to go too early next year.
I'm guessing that you mean Andrew Miller. Adam Miller is a MiLB'er in the Cleveland organization.
Overall, the list isn't terrible. Bedard has no business being ranked that high until he can show that he can consistently toss 180+ innings. I would also move Nolasco up that list 7-10 spots. Same with The Magic Wandy (as mentioned above).
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by ssiknosaj909 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:26 am 
