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Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby RynoDyno » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:39 am

With talk that the Nationals might not give in the Boras' demands...

I know draft picks can't be traded, but would Bud Selig be the only thing stopping the Nationals from making a backroom deal with a team that could afford Strasburg's salary, signing Strasburg and then trading him to that team for enough cash to reimburse them for the bonus payment and some prospects/players as well? I would imagine NYY or BOS could afford his demands much more than WAS.

Hypothetically, if they get quality players back without spending $50 mil on bonuses, would it be less of a PR hit than not signing him at all?
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby Cobra_Kai » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:58 am

I am pretty sure they can't. There's some sort of rule about how soon you can trade a player after he's been drafted, though I'm far too lazy to look it up right now.
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby KCollins1304 » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:01 am

You aren't allowed to trade players from FYP draft until they've been under your control for a year. So he wouldn't be tradeable until June.
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby RynoDyno » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:21 am

KCollins1304 wrote:You aren't allowed to trade players from FYP draft until they've been under your control for a year. So he wouldn't be tradeable until June.


Ok, so say next August they trade him for 50mil in cash. Could/would Selig shoot that down? Is there a rule about the amount of cash that can be exchanged that you know of?
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby AussieDodger » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:24 am

They can make him a PTBNL in a trade.

Is there a precedent to this? I can't imagine there is, because a team would of tried it instead of some of the "cost cutting" high picks of recent years. :-?
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby RynoDyno » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:34 am

So a large amount of money has been exchanged before, but I guess that's a completely different situation involving Hampton's bad contract. Two teams were sending cash to cover his contract versus the receiving team "buying him" which would be the situation with Strasburg. Sounds like Selig looks at the team's finances and is more likely to go over his $1mil limit if the team is strapped for cash. Then again, this is 7 yrs old. I know a lot of teams send cash these days to cover portions of contracts...

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Published: Tuesday, November 19, 2002
For a pitcher who has a 12-26 record and a 6.62 earned run average in his last 49 starts, a salary totaling $5.5 million for the next three years is probably fair. That's what the Atlanta Braves will pay Mike Hampton, who officially joined them yesterday when Commissioner Bud Selig approved the largest amount of money included in a baseball trade, $36.5 million.

That total -- $30 million to be paid by Florida to the Braves and $6.5 million by Colorado to the Marlins -- exceeds Tampa Bay's 2002 payroll. Previously, the most money believed to have been permitted in a trade was the $6 million Toronto will give the Yankees next year to offset Raul Mondesi's $13 million salary.

No one was holding a gun to the heads of the general managers involved to include the money or make the three-way deal. ''All of the clubs wanted it,'' a baseball official said, explaining one of the reasons Selig allowed the trade.

All three teams benefit. The Rockies rid themselves of the remaining six years of Hampton's contract, thus saving money over the long term; the Marlins save money immediately by shedding the last three years of the unwanted contracts of catcher Charles Johnson and outfielder Preston Wilson, who were traded to the Rockies; and the Braves get Hampton, who they believe can reclaim the effectiveness he exhibited before he opted for a $121 million contract to work in the Bermuda Triangle of pitching.

And they get him cheaply. Hampton, a 30-year-old left-hander, will cost the Braves less than the average major league salary the next three years: $2 million in 2003 and in '04, and $1.5 million in '05. The Marlins will pay the Braves $9 million, $10 million and $11 million in those seasons. The Marlins' payments will be offset by the money they will receive from the Rockies: $2 million in each of the next two years and $2.5 million in the third year.

The Braves will pay Hampton's entire salary the final three years, a total of $43 million, meaning they will pay $48.5 million for six years, a steal if Hampton reverts to his pre-Coors Field form.

The meager sum the Braves will pay Hampton the first three years creates payroll space for them to sign at least one of their two free-agent starters, Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux.

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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby raiders_umpire » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:23 am

AussieDodger wrote:They can make him a PTBNL in a trade.



Strasburg can be named a PTBNL, but it would have to be to an American League team, and it his PTBNL status could only last 6 months so the deal couldn't go down to next February or so at the earliest.
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby Yoda » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:25 am

RynoDyno wrote:
KCollins1304 wrote:You aren't allowed to trade players from FYP draft until they've been under your control for a year. So he wouldn't be tradeable until June.


Ok, so say next August they trade him for 50mil in cash. Could/would Selig shoot that down? Is there a rule about the amount of cash that can be exchanged that you know of?


That won't ever happen. Whenever there is a large amount of cash involved in trades, it needs to be approved and there is no way they would allow it.
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby AussieDodger » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:28 am

raiders_umpire wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:They can make him a PTBNL in a trade.



Strasburg can be named a PTBNL, but it would have to be to an American League team, and it his PTBNL status could only last 6 months so the deal couldn't go down to next February or so at the earliest.


Thanks for posting this ;-D
Why can't it be to a NL team? Is a reason, or is that just the rule?
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Re: Can the Nationals sign and trade Strasburg?

Postby Tavish » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:33 am

AussieDodger wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:They can make him a PTBNL in a trade.



Strasburg can be named a PTBNL, but it would have to be to an American League team, and it his PTBNL status could only last 6 months so the deal couldn't go down to next February or so at the earliest.


Thanks for posting this ;-D
Why can't it be to a NL team? Is a reason, or is that just the rule?

Its a rule. Well, to be more specific and accurate, the player can not be playing in the league they are being traded to. So a minor league player can be a PTBNL in a trade between two teams in the same league.
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