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Re: Abused Pitcher Arms

Postby Ender » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:06 pm

As others have said not every inning is created equal. What you really want to avoid is pitchers throwing a lot of pitches in only a few innings or a lot of pitches with runners on. I'd gladly take 120 pitches over 9 innings over 100 pitches over 6 innings from a pitcher.

As for pitchers in the 'old days', they didn't throw max effort every pitch, they didn't throw as much off speed junk that isn't good for their arms and they didn't throw nearly as many pitches per PA. They also got hurt just as much, just with smaller rotations and fewer teams it wasn't as noticable. It isn't an easy thing to compare, so I wouldn't try blaming pitch counts on anything.
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Re: Abused Pitcher Arms

Postby Green Bay Bear » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:37 pm

The past couple years I've read a lot of talk about CC burning out...


August.... 44 IP / 49K / 6BB, 2.64 / 0.95
September 21IP / 20K / 9BB, 2.14 / 1.14

If a guy knows how to pitch (Livan) he can go and go and go....
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Re: Abused Pitcher Arms

Postby kab21 » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:26 pm

Green Bay Bear wrote:The past couple years I've read a lot of talk about CC burning out...


August.... 44 IP / 49K / 6BB, 2.64 / 0.95
September 21IP / 20K / 9BB, 2.14 / 1.14

If a guy knows how to pitch (Livan) he can go and go and go....


Livan throws 83mph and isn't very good so I'm not sure what your point is. Is CC going to turn into Livan?
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Re: Abused Pitcher Arms

Postby Splendid61 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:13 pm

Speaking of abused pitcher arms, the Marlins might send Josh Johnson out there for 2 starts this week.

After spending Sunday in bed, Johnson was feeling much better Monday and was penciled in to start Tuesday against the Braves. ``I feel a lot better,'' he said. ``My throat and chest are still not quite there, but they're good enough.''

Johnson is within two outs of recording 200 innings pitched for the first time in his career. He also needs two more starts -- Tuesday's and the season finale Sunday in Philadelphia -- to earn a $25,000 bonus for making 33 starts this season.

``I want to get to that 200-inning mark and be out there for my team,'' he said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/baseball/story/1256701.html

Josh Johnson is starting today (Tue 9/29) after missing his start on Sun 9/27 with the flu. Any chance he also starts the season finale in Philly and reaches the 33 starts needed for the $25K bonus? Would be on normal 4 days rest. But the Marlins don't have a game on Thu this week, so ESPN's probables are West (10/2), Volstad (10/3), and Sanchez (10/4). Sean West (age 23) has thrown 167.1 IP combined this year. He had 100.2 IP in 2008 and 120.1 IP in 2007. So it might make sense for the Marlins to skip West's 10/2 start. Although a local paper (The Palm Beach Post) is reporting Josh Johnson will start Sun 10/4 - apparently Volstad is not scheduled to start 10/3.

Johnson will start Tuesday in place of Rick VandenHurk. Ricky Nolasco will start Wednesday's series finale in Atlanta. Either VandenHurk or Sean West will start Friday's series opener in Philadelphia. Anibal Sanchez will go Saturday and Johnson on Sunday.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/services/content/sports/epaper/2009/09/28/0928marlinsnotes.html

According to Josh Johnson's agent, it's not going to be easy for the Marlins to sign him after 2011. So allowing him to reach a measly $25K bonus might be worth it as an effort to establish some goodwill. Although the start is in Philadelphia, so the Marlins wouldn't be sending him out there to draw fans to the park (drawing fans for home games is one of their biggest struggles as a franchise).

The Marlins have kept a careful eye on Johnson's lately. He's only thrown 363 pitches in September. His 3107 total pitches this year is 36th most in MLB. Before the kid gloves were put back on at the start of September, Johnson was near the Top 10 in total pitches.

What are the chances John Johnson actually gets a second start this week (and reaches his contract incentive plateau)? 50/50?
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