C - Pablo Sandoval 1B - Prince Fielder 2B - Ben Zobrist 3B - David Wright SS - Gordon Beckham OF - Josh Hamilton OF - Andre Ethier OF - Jayson Werth Util - B.J. Upton
SP - Billingsley, Lackey, Harden, Hamels, Edwin Jackson, Buehrle, Kazmir, Jorge De La Rosa RP - Fuentes, Bell, Street, Franklin
My thought process is that Hamels has been wildly inconsistent all year, and I don't know if I trust him for the playoffs. Harden and Lackey have found a groove, and Billingsley's start last night was encouraging. I feel like if I can replace Carpenter for Hamels, I have a strong 4-man core, buttressed by my other SPs. I could use Morales for a bench bat over the very disappointing Josh Hamilton or B.J. Upton.
EDIT: OK, so he removed the offer, maybe cause he realized how good it was for me, and replaced it with just Carpenter for Hamels/Franklin. Is this still worth it? I could add Willingham as a bench bat, and I Frasor and C.J. Wilson are FAs if I want to replace Franklin.
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I like this trade for you. I think two general rules apply here 1) the team that gets the best player wins the trade, and I think you are getting the best player in Carp 2) Don't trade for RP's (athough franklin is a very good RP)
I am not a fan of Hamels and I personally would pull the trigger on this.
I agree with your thought process, but I would still consider Carpenter a health risk and don't know if Morales will keep it up. Have you shopped Hamels to other teams? He has a lot of name value and could get you more in return. If not, then I would agree to do it.
Thanks for your help. Hamels has been, well, pretty bad this year. It seems like you can get one good start follwed by 2 OK starts and then one or 2 bad ones. He's not worth it, and if you can get Carpenter to replace him, it clearly makes you a better team.
I think what it comes down to is that you can afford to give up a relief pitcher to improve you offensive numbers, and I have had no regrets picking up Morales this season. The Angels are batting .290 as a team and their potent offense seems poised to keep up these numbers the remainder of the season. Giving up Hamels in name is a tough thing to do, but there is nothing negative about picking up Chris Carpenter this year in that effective Cardinal's rotation. Go for it.
Okay, so he is removing Morales from the offer. Is the pitching upgrade to Carpenter alone still worth Hamels/Franklin? I can pick up Frasor or C.J. Wilson for saves in the interim, or pick up Josh Willingham as a bench bat. Should I still pull the trigger?