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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby mweir145 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:20 pm

nsulham wrote:
mweir145 wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:The biggest win for the Yankees was that neither Halladay or Gonzalez went to Boston. As a Yankee fan, I'm content with this trade deadline just because of that.

Yankees are the favourites for the division now, certainly. I'd be surprised if Boston holds off Tampa with that terrible rotation.


"Terrible" rotation? You're going to have to explain that one to me, unless that's likely your anti-Boston bias speaking.

You are telling me you have faith in any Red Sox starter outside of Beckett and Lester? Their starting pitching ERA is 4.52 so far, which is ranked 18th in the majors.

Wakefield is a decent pitcher I suppose, but he projects out as their #3 right now. There are all kinds of question marks surrounding Penny, Dice-K, Smoltz, and Buchholz. I'm not sure why they chose to add Martinez instead of a starter.
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby flloyd » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:28 pm

Their starter's FIP is 4th in the MLB and 1st in the AL. It's their terrible defense that kills their ERA, not their pitchers.
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby mweir145 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:37 pm

flloyd wrote:Their starter's FIP is 4th in the MLB and 1st in the AL. It's their terrible defense that kills their ERA, not their pitchers.

Hmm...I didn't know their peripherals were that good. I apologize and withdraw my comment...my perception of their rotation was solely due to the ERA. I didn't bother to check FIP.

Though I still think they could have benefited from picking up another starter more than another C/1B.
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:43 pm

flloyd wrote:Their starter's FIP is 4th in the MLB and 1st in the AL. It's their terrible defense that kills their ERA, not their pitchers.


It's not completely their defense. You forgot about Fenway. Balls hit into LF almost defeat the point of FIP, since they are automatic doubles that really can't be caught by fielders, but since they don't go for HR, they don't hurt the pitcher's peripherals (even though they really should). Getting rid of Lugo should help the infield D, though I don't think Green and Lowrie are incredible SS either. An actually healthy Lowell will help, not so much because he's a great 3B but more because Youk is an awesome 1B while a mediocre 3B (in my opinion, I don't have access to +/- or anything like that from last year; just observations from watching the Sawx).
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby bigken117 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:00 pm

mweir145 wrote:I apologize and withdraw my comment....


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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby ayebatter » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:40 am

bigken117 wrote:
mweir145 wrote:I apologize and withdraw my comment....


;-D



Whoa 8-o , commendable mweir,

although buffalobill has now given you fodder to toss around

"It's not completely their defense. You forgot about Fenway. Balls hit into LF almost defeat the point of FIP, since they are automatic doubles that really can't be caught by fielders, but since they don't go for HR, they don't hurt the pitcher's peripherals (even though they really should)"

just sayin'
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby AussieDodger » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:03 am

WIN:

Seattle:
More defense, retread SP and upside lottery tickets

Oakland:
Return for O-Cab was intriguing and surprising, WALLACE!!!4543!!!!!

Pirates:
Much-needed demolition

Cleveland:
Lots of interesting arms. Lots and lots and lots.

Boston:
Long time, much needed replacement for Varitek, check. Teagarden and Salty be danged.

Marlins:
Nick Johnson for garbage FTW.


FAIL:

Giants:
Garko trade was slightly bad, Freddie Sanchez trade was insanely awful.

St Louis:
Trading your 3B if the very near future for 2 months of Matt Holliday. FAIL.

Dodgers:
A potentially good power 3B and a lottery ticket arm for an 8th innings reliever (which you already have 2 of). FAIL.


MEGA FAIL:

Toronto:
WTF. Dumb.
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby Havok1517 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:58 am

AussieDodger wrote:St Louis:
Trading your 3B if the very near future for 2 months of Matt Holliday. FAIL.

Dodgers:
A potentially good power 3B and a lottery ticket arm for an 8th innings reliever (which you already have 2 of). FAIL.


The Cards are already in serious negotiations with Holliday to sign him long-term. Also, I think many people are overrating Wallace as he's not a power hitter and I doubt he'll stay at 3B as his body is not suited for the hot corner. Image. Reminds me of Sean Casey.

Also, I like the Sherrill pickup as he's a much needed left-handed boost to an overused and unproven pen. 3 ks in 1 IP tonight.
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby AussieDodger » Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:17 am

Havok1517 wrote: Also, I think many people are overrating Wallace as he's not a power hitter



He hit 30 HRs in 2008 between college, A and AA at age 21.


Havok1517 wrote:and I doubt he'll stay at 3B as his body is not suited for the hot corner.


I've read conflicting reports about his fielding.
They either say "fatty fatty fat" or "nimble for his size". Have also read "cannon arm" and "throws like a girl" :-S :-S :-S


Havok1517 wrote:Also, I like the Sherrill pickup as he's a much needed left-handed boost to an overused and unproven pen. 3 ks in 1 IP tonight.


They already have Kuo and Troncosco. I'm sure there were cheaper options out there then Sherrill, Josh Bell is a for reals prospect. Stupid move IMO.
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Re: Winners/Losers of "Trade Wars"

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:30 pm

St. Louis is a winner for sure. You didn't mention the DeRosa trade, which has already paid off dividends. Not to mention Holliday is absolutely going to thrive behind Pujols, forcing teams to pitch to both of them. Cards should win the Central now because of these moves.
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