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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:20 pm

What happens if the Cards DON'T make the play-offs?


Mega FAIL and death to La Russa? :-?



I'm not saying they will or won't, just wondering.
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby acsguitar » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:21 pm

Fade2White12 wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:Very true, but his career away from Coors Field OPS is just a bit over .800. If that is what the Cardinals are getting in this deal, then this deal does not help the Cards out nowhere near as much as some might think. If the move to the NL and Pujols in the lineup makes Holliday a 900ish+ OPS guy the rest of the year, this could be a move that pays off for St. Louis this year. But still 6 years of Wallace even with probable bad defense is alot to pay.


Don't forget that Holliday also has a .877 career OPS at the Oakland Coliseum. He simply hits better at home than away - regardless of where what team he plays for. Also, at the new Busch, he has a career OPS of 1.350, and a career average of .297 at NL Central ballparks.

This trade is the ultimate risk/reward for the Cardinals. Personally, I think this makes them the clear favorite in the division, and probably top three in the NL.

Win for Oakland
Win/Loss for St. Louis
Win for Holliday owners


His Home/Away numbers increased every year until he got traded this year.
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby daullaz » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:21 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:
acsguitar wrote:
drunkmonkey wrote:I just hope you didn't sell low on Holliday. Coming back to the NL, with protection around him - his numbers will make a significant rebound. FWIW (small sample size), does anyone know in which park he's put up his best stats away from Coors? ;-D


I'll check. Probably SF though


Ignoring his 10 ABs in KC, it's STL.


Judging by JT's post, it's Dolphins Stadium.
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby acsguitar » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:24 pm

Again why is he batting behind pujols? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to bat 3rd and Pujols to bat 4th? or is it better to let pujols walk?
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby drunkmonkey » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:27 pm

daullaz wrote:
drunkmonkey wrote:
acsguitar wrote:
I'll check. Probably SF though


Ignoring his 10 ABs in KC, it's STL.


Judging by JT's post, it's Dolphins Stadium.


You're right...his OPS is 0.01 higher there. It's close.
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby drunkmonkey » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:28 pm

acsguitar wrote:Again why is he batting behind pujols? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to bat 3rd and Pujols to bat 4th? or is it better to let pujols walk?


It's LaRussa's philosophy that keeping AP in the 3 slot gets him more ABs. Also, there won't be as many IBBs with Holliday and Ludwick behind him.
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby KCollins1304 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:30 pm

Code: Select all
Busch Stadium   39   8   15   2   1   5   7   6   1   8   0   0   .385   .478   .872   1.350
Busch Stadium II   39   8   15   2   1   5   7   6   1   8   0   0   .385   .478   .872   1.350


I find it hard to believe that he has the same exact stats at the former and current Busch Stadium. :-?
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby drunkmonkey » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:33 pm

KCollins1304 wrote:
Code: Select all
Busch Stadium   39   8   15   2   1   5   7   6   1   8   0   0   .385   .478   .872   1.350
Busch Stadium II   39   8   15   2   1   5   7   6   1   8   0   0   .385   .478   .872   1.350


I find it hard to believe that he has the same exact stats at the former and current Busch Stadium. :-?


Also, if we're numbering the parks, he never played in Busch Stadium; he played in Busch II and Busch III.
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby JTWood » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:38 pm

AussieDodger wrote:What happens if the Cards DON'T make the play-offs?

Mega FAIL and death to La Russa? :-?

I'm not saying they will or won't, just wondering.

LaRussa ain't the GM. ;-)
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Re: Matt Holliday Trade thread

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:46 pm

JTWood wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:What happens if the Cards DON'T make the play-offs?

Mega FAIL and death to La Russa? :-?

I'm not saying they will or won't, just wondering.

LaRussa ain't the GM. ;-)


La Russa has been flapping his alcoholic gums about getting Holliday since about the 2nd day of the season.
You'd think if everything was fair and above board he'd take the hit for this.

Your GM actually had the nads to draft a Oakland-esque fatty like Wallace in the first place, so he should get kudos not the axe. ;-D
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