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Postby frog99 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:40 pm

LBJackal wrote:
Call him a career minor leaguer or a career college and minor leaguer, it's the same thing. He's really old and just got his first crack at the majors.

All I was saying was that he doesn't have upside - what you saw last year is as good as it'll get, and I doubt he'll even be that good. There are many more 3B's I'd rather have. He's over-rated.



28 isn't old, it is when a hitter is in or just entering their prime. so i think his numbers will improve from last year. 20 year old rookie is by comparsion young and the only reason so many 20-21 year olds are playing is because there are to many major league teams and somebody has to fill out the rosters.


oh and Jimy Williams is a moron, i hate "gut" mangers.
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Postby pujolsisthebestin04 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:19 pm

well i have blalock starting so i'm looking to deal ensberg.
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Postby Rohan » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:46 am

I wouldn't call him old by no means. He still has 10 years!!!!

Do you call Barry Bonds old? He just won a mvp
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Postby Blue Man » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:56 am

Rohan wrote:I wouldn't call him old by no means. He still has 10 years!!!!

Do you call Barry Bonds old? He just won a mvp


Ok, you've gone to far, Barry's old! He's a stud, but an old one.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:15 am

Anonymous wrote:The reason does matter, since it seems like you were suggestign that his stats were padded last year and that having to face "tougher righties" this year would lead to a decline in numbers.

I wouldn't call 27 old, but you do have a point. 2 yrs ago, when he first came up, he was touted inthe same vein as H Blalock. They both failed miserably in their first year and both played well last year.



Ensberg has never been touted like Blalock, never. Ensberg was 5 years older his rookie year. Ensberg has 30 hr power, but at 27, his ceiling was probably his 1st half last year.
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Postby Jackie Treehorn » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:55 am

Latest on Rotoworld says he's going to bat 7th, and likely be pitched around much of the time. That doesn't bode well for his value, but if you're looking to deal him, now would be the best time, before the season starts.
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Postby Mighty Monks » Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:57 am

I have ensberg also, and dont think you will ever be able to trade him. NObody will give you anything for him. The only chance you have is if you find an ensberg lover who happens to have aaron boone playing 3rd or something.It hink t he only thing you can do is looka t the waiver wire and sit and hope he works out like last year
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Postby KULCAT » Sun Mar 21, 2004 9:14 am

At 27 youre not done. He´s ceiling may not be as high Blalock, but i dont see why he shouldnt improve as a player with experience.
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Postby Mighty Monks » Sun Mar 21, 2004 9:18 am

I have ensberg also, and dont think you will ever be able to trade him. NObody will give you anything for him. The only chance you have is if you find an ensberg lover who happens to have aaron boone playing 3rd or something.It hink t he only thing you can do is looka t the waiver wire and sit and hope he works out like last year
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Postby wkelly91 » Sun Mar 21, 2004 10:12 am

This years Bellhorn.... :~(

If you look at players who breakout at or around 27 they pretty much have reached their ceiling. Players who reach the bigs at 21-23 generally breakout at or around 27 and continue to raise their ceilings until their early thirties and last into their late thirties. Players who break in around 27 flatten out sooner and dissapear quicker, early thirties.

Ensberg is at or close to his ceiling, much the same as Podsednik. ;-D
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