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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby KCollins1304 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:02 pm

Everyone get behind Perri and let's strip all the players of their HOF plaques who used greenies! ;-7
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:15 pm

Not just greenies. All the cheaters. Anyone who has ever cheated in any way should be out of the hall.
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:19 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:Not just greenies. All the cheaters. Anyone who has ever cheated in any way should be out of the hall.


"Stealing" a base could be construed as cheating to someone of high morals. So therefore Rickey = do not want.

And racists.
Cobb = dead man.
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby hot4tx » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:58 pm

Bill James assertion that players on roids playing better into later years means steroids makes you younger and possibly in the future we'll all be on roids is like saying in the future we could all be taking meth to keep obesity down and take PCP because it makes you stronger. Well its possible that we could, but lets not allow illegal drug trafficking and use just because you think there's a chance it might be adoptable in some medical use "in the future".

Illegal drugs are illegal drugs and while players that took roids will deal with the consequences themselves later in life, the biggest problem was that as widespread as the use was it became harder to compete at a top level without roids. Not only harder for ML players, but for guys in the minors, college kids and even high school kids.

Testing ML players doesn't put an absolute stop to kids dying from roids, but its a step in the right direction. Bill James assertion that just because in the future we could have some type of steroid or testosterone that everyone takes like vitamins, that its ok that people illegally used drugs now and in the past is either him attempting to write an inflammatory BS article or an admission of complete idiocy on his part.

Either way I lost any respect I had for him as a journalist with that un-researched turd. JMHO.
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:02 pm

hot4tx wrote:Bill James assertion that players on roids playing better into later years means steroids makes you younger and possibly in the future we'll all be on roids is like saying in the future we could all be taking meth to keep obesity down and take PCP because it makes you stronger. Well its possible that we could, but lets not allow illegal drug trafficking and use just because you think there's a chance it might be adoptable in some medical use "in the future".

Illegal drugs are illegal drugs and while players that took roids will deal with the consequences themselves later in life, the biggest problem was that as widespread as the use was becoming harder to compete at a top level without roids. Not only harder for ML players, but for guys in the minors, college kids and even high school kids.

Testing ML players doesn't put an absolute stop to kids dying from roids, but its a step in the right direction. Bill James assertion that just because in the future we could have some type of steroid or testosterone that everyone takes like vitamins, that its ok that people illegally used drugs now and in the past is either him attempting to write an inflammatory BS article or an admission of complete idiocy on his part.

Either way I lost any respect I had for him as a journalist with that un-researched turd. JMHO.



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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby hot4tx » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:05 pm

So you think encouraging children to take and die from illegal drugs is a great idea. Super.



"Adding a few HR's per year is worth kids dying" - Aussie dodger. :-t
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:09 pm

hot4tx wrote:So you think encouraging children to take and die from illegal drugs is a great idea. Super.



"Adding a few HR's per year is worth kids dying" - Aussie dodger. :-t


Interesting quote.
How about instead of worrying about the supposed "role models", we try breeding/bringing up kids who won't follow every shiny object they see on TV?

Just a thought.
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby Big Pimpin » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:14 pm

hot4tx wrote:Bill James assertion that players on roids playing better into later years means steroids makes you younger and possibly in the future we'll all be on roids is like saying in the future we could all be taking meth to keep obesity down and take PCP because it makes you stronger. Well its possible that we could, but lets not allow illegal drug trafficking and use just because you think there's a chance it might be adoptable in some medical use "in the future".

Illegal drugs are illegal drugs and while players that took roids will deal with the consequences themselves later in life, the biggest problem was that as widespread as the use was it became harder to compete at a top level without roids. Not only harder for ML players, but for guys in the minors, college kids and even high school kids.

Testing ML players doesn't put an absolute stop to kids dying from roids, but its a step in the right direction. Bill James assertion that just because in the future we could have some type of steroid or testosterone that everyone takes like vitamins, that its ok that people illegally used drugs now and in the past is either him attempting to write an inflammatory BS article or an admission of complete idiocy on his part.

Either way I lost any respect I had for him as a journalist with that un-researched turd. JMHO.


1. Steroids are not illegal
2. There are many medical uses for steroids now
3. I didn't read it as Bill James saying it's ok that people illegally used drugs (which I agree they did but still don't see it as being against baseball's rules at the time), simply that in the future people will change their opinions
4. Bill James is not a journalist, he's a statistician
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby hot4tx » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:17 pm

He published an article based on no facts or numbers. Just his uneducated opinion that steroids "keep you young". I'd call that being a journalist these days. ;-D
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby Big Pimpin » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:27 pm

hot4tx wrote:He published an article based on no facts or numbers. Just his uneducated opinion that steroids "keep you young". I'd call that being a journalist these days. ;-D


He is effectively stating a fact. The facts and numbers are contained in the "improved performance" of all the users, which apparently is what everyone is up in arms about. If there was no improved performance, no one would care.
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