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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby mweir145 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:47 pm

Rollotommasi wrote:lol, and you have no problem with that ??

No, I don't have any problem with it at all. Why should I?
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby mweir145 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:48 pm

MaudDib wrote:But I am always amazed to hear people talk about their not being a rule about steroids. There was one, just not specifically in baseball. It is illegal and everyone knew it. I find it amazing to think that baseball has to have a rule for it themselves for us to think it is important in sports. Whether it shoudl be illegal or not is another argument that I won't get into.

Not sure how breaking a law equates to cheating in a sport (though I'm sure many athletes manage to obtain prescriptions).
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby JMB05 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:02 pm

mweir145 wrote:
Yoda wrote:To be fair Mweir, most defenders of Bonds, McGwuire, etc., have made the same points over the last decade.

Very true. But if it takes Bill James to make people take the arguments seriously, I'm fine with that.



Just got done reading a book on the very subject, with most of the major ideas coming from James himself, although non written by him.

Cooperstown Confidential, by Zev Chafets.

Worth a look if you enjoy this topic.
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby Yoda » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:08 am

MaudDib wrote:But I am always amazed to hear people talk about their not being a rule about steroids. There was one, just not specifically in baseball. It is illegal and everyone knew it. I find it amazing to think that baseball has to have a rule for it themselves for us to think it is important in sports. Whether it shoudl be illegal or not is another argument that I won't get into.


So let me ask you this. Since there was no written rule in baseball about steroids, how would you suggest that the perpetrators to be punished?
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby Neato Torpedo » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:34 am

I think that either no one should take steroids or everyone should take steroids. That way no one would have an unfair advantage. ;-D
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby Rollotommasi » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:45 am

mweir145 wrote:
Rollotommasi wrote:lol, and you have no problem with that ??

No, I don't have any problem with it at all. Why should I?


so you don't have problems with murders, rapes and all the other crimes because are simply a product of that society. ??

this is insane

Of course it wasn't cheating. The players were just doing what they had to do to keep up with the competition

is this the american point of view about doping ??

don't ask yourself why people hate you so much on the other side of the Atlantic.....
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:55 am

Rollotommasi wrote:
mweir145 wrote:
Rollotommasi wrote:lol, and you have no problem with that ??

No, I don't have any problem with it at all. Why should I?


so you don't have problems with murders, rapes and all the other crimes because are simply a product of that society. ??

this is insane

Of course it wasn't cheating. The players were just doing what they had to do to keep up with the competition

is this the american point of view about doping ??

don't ask yourself why people hate you so much on the other side of the Atlantic.....

Generalizations, FTL.
Also, not knowing what country mwier is from, FTL. (Pst, the answer is Canada).

Bollocks.
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby Rollotommasi » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:00 am

bigh0rt wrote:Generalizations, FTL.
Also, not knowing what country mwier is from, FTL. (Pst, the answer is Canada).

Bollocks.


generalizations about what ??

try to read the Mweyr post @page 1
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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby AussieDodger » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:06 am

bigh0rt wrote:Also, not knowing what country mwier is from, FTL. (Pst, the answer is Canada).

Bollocks.


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Re: Bill James on PEDs

Postby Art Vandelay » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:31 am

He's not exactly saying anything new, but it's certainly nice to see someone with the clout of Bill James on the right side of the steroids issue.
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