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Postby BigMusky » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:38 pm

What kind of numbers can be expected from this guy. I have heard mostly Ichiro type numbers.
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Postby red » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:43 pm

I've watched him a few times in spring training now. Caveat, he's battling a sore middle finger, maybe his hitting isn't EXACTLY what I'm seeing, but from what I'm seeing I'm not terribly impressed. He has great speed, slaps at the ball a la Ichiro, but also swings and misses a lot- not fooled by a pitch- just swings and misses. Will gets lots of ks.
Will be lethal when he gets on, but my guess is he'll only hit for .260/.270. I would not be surprised to see Reyes lead off and Matsui bat second.
I could be wrong-- I've been wrong before-- but I think he will not adjust to major league pitching as well as Ichiro did. He does not seem as complete a player.
Off the top of my head: .270/ 15HR/65RBI/100R
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Postby stumpak » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:06 pm

I pretty much agree with the above numbers, plus maybe 20 SBs. Is running ability appears exaggerated, as his SBs in Japan have been trending straight down. In a 12 team league, he is a below average SS.
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:16 pm

stumpak wrote:I pretty much agree with the above numbers, plus maybe 20 SBs. Is running ability appears exaggerated, as his SBs in Japan have been trending straight down. In a 12 team league, he is a below average SS.


i believe his sb numbers in japan decreased because he was moved from lead off to the #3 spot. if he is back to leading off i would expect similar stolen base numbers to his early days in japan. i think he will end up with 30+. i also think he will bat better than .270.

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.291,95runs,14hr,70rbi,34sb
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Postby Broncmet724 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:34 pm

.282 83R 18HR 67RBI 142K 25SB 11CS .440SLG .337OBP
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:53 pm

stumpak wrote:I pretty much agree with the above numbers, plus maybe 20 SBs. Is running ability appears exaggerated, as his SBs in Japan have been trending straight down. In a 12 team league, he is a below average SS.


Afterthe game where he stole a base this spring, Howe said it was absolutely scary how fast he is. He has said that he plans to fully utilize his speed. If you watch any spring games, he takes monster lead and seems very aggressive. He'll steal at least 30 this year.
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Postby M.Akihiko » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:48 pm

I am Japanese. I know Japanese baseball. And I am nothing to do today. So I am going to show you their stats in Japan. But I have problem. My English is not perfect. So I hope you to understand my English. Thank you.


Leon Lee/Maybe 3A/1B,3B/Born ? (I can not find out)
L.Lee was playing in Japan for 10 years (from 1978 to 1987). He was good player. His best season at Japan was in 1980. But meybe you do not know about him. But you know his son. His son is Derrek Lee.

Year/AB/HR/RBI/SB/BB/k/AVG/Where
1980 486 41 116 02 53 48 .340 Japan

*01=1, 02=2.........................081=81


Cecil Fielder/TOR DET.../1B/Born 1963
Long time ago, he came to the Japan. And maybe he ate a lot of Sushi. Then he came back to the USA. Then he got HR king at AL MLB, Wow. Maybe I think he got Sushi power at Japan.
Last year, Kevin Millar did not want to come to the Japan. Why? If he came to the Japan. I think, Kevin "Rally Karaoke Guy" Millar could get a huge Karaoke power. There are so many Karaoke bars in Japan.

Year/AB/HR/RBI/SB/BB/k/AVG/Where
1988 174 09 023 0 14 053 .230 MLB(TOR)
1989 384 38 081 0 76 107 .302 Japan
1990 573 51 132 0 90 182 .277 MLB(DET)


Ichiro/SEA/OF/Born 1972
He is the best AVG hitter in Japanese baseball history.

Year/AB/HR/RBI/SB/BB/K/AVG/Where
1998 506 13 71 11 50 35 .358 Japan
1999 411 21 68 12 52 46 .343 Japan
2000 395 12 73 21 58 36 .387 Japan
2001 692 08 69 56 30 53 .350 MLB (SEA)
2002 647 08 51 31 68 62 .321 MLB (SEA)
2003 679 13 62 34 36 69 .312 MLB (SEA)



T.Shinjo/NYM,SFG/OF/Born 1972
Do you remember about him? He is he is.............Well,well. His web site is very nice. Now he is playing for Japanese baseball team again.

Year/AB/HR/RBI/SB/BB/K/AVG/Where
1998 414 06 27 01 31 65 .222 Japan
1999 471 14 58 08 33 72 .255 Japan
2000 511 28 85 15 33 93 .278 Japan
2001 400 10 56 04 25 70 .269 MLB (NYM)
2002 362 09 37 05 24 46 .238 MLB (SFG)
2003 114 01 07 00 06 12 .193 MLB (NYM)



H.Matsui/NYY/OF/Born 1974
In 2002, he got HR king award at Japan. Then in 2003, he went to the USA and he got good guy award at there. So now I understand, Godzilla is not dangerous. Godzilla is very kind.

Year/AB/HR/RBI/SB/BB/K/AVG/Where
2000 474 42 108 05 108 108 .316 Japan
2001 481 36 104 03 123 096 .333 Japan
2002 500 50 107 03 117 104 .334 Japan
2003 623 16 106 02 063 086 .287 MLB (NYY)


K.Matsui/NYM/SS/Born 1975
Awards in Japan
MVP (1998)
Gold Glove Award (1997,1998,2002,2003)
SB King (1997,1998,1999)

Year/AB/HR/RBI/SB/BB/K/AVG/Where
2000 550 23 90 26 48 060 .322 Japan
2001 552 24 76 26 52 083 .308 Japan
2002 582 36 87 33 57 112 .332 Japan
2003 587 33 84 13 59 124 .305 Japan


SB stats in Japan
Year/Ichiro/Kazuo Matsui
1992 03 DNP
1993 00 DNP
1994 29 DNP
1995 49 21
1996 35 50
1997 39 62
1998 11 43
1999 12 32
2000 21 26
2001 56 26
2002 31 33
2003 34 13

*DNP=did not play
*Kazuo Matsui and Ichiro were playing same league in Japan.
*2001, Ichiro went to the MLB.
*Ichiro got SB king in Japan (1995). Ichiro got SB King in AL MLB (2001).
*K.Matsui got SB King in Japan (1997,1998,1999).


AVG stats in Japan
Year/Ichiro/Hideki Matsui/Kazuo Matsui
1992 .253 DNP DNP
1993 .188 .223 DNP
1994 .385 .294 DNP
1995 .342 .283 .221
1996 .356 .314 .283
1997 .345 .298 .309
1998 .358 .292 .311
1999 .343 .304 .330
2000 .387 .316 .322
2001 .350 .333 .308
2002 .321 .334 .332
2003 .312 .287 .309

*DNP=did not play
*Hideki Matsui was different league from them.
*Ichiro went to MLB 2001.
*Hideki Matsui went to MLB 2003.
*Ichiro got AVG king seven times in Japan (from 1994 to 2000). Ichiro got AVG king in AL MLB (2001).
*Hideki Matsui got AVG king in Japan (2001).
*Kazuo Matsui could not get AVG king in Japan.
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Postby KolbSaves » Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:08 pm

Thank you for the info.
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Postby Guest » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:48 pm

Thanks for the info....

With those stats it is easy to see that Kaz could put up 40-50SB this year considering Ichiro had his SB numbers drop before coming over the MLB and then returned to form over here......

I hope a lot of people have no faith in Kaz because I would love to get him around the tenth or eleventh rounds......
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Postby bruuno2 » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:15 pm

Man i invested alot in this guy!I'm hoping for the best.I think he will be a top 3-5 shortstop.And who really knows,he might tear it up!We shall see. ;-D
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