The Artful Dodger wrote:Personally, I don't care much about the music award system, much of it is commercial bullplop as Knapp was getting at. However, Nirvana did help usher in alternative rock into a more mainstream consciousness, but I think because they were supposedly the first to introduce grunge to an MTV crowd, reviews of their work are a bit too generous due to the general public stance that they're revolutionaries. Personally, I'd say Alice in Chains are more of my cup of tea than Nirvana.
Dead on right here. AIC and STP don't get near enough credit for the grunge revolution, imo. I like them both quite a bit more than Nirvana (and Live waaaaay more than all 3, but I digress...), and I get irked by the fact that Nirvana gets the definitive 'king of grunge' tag due more to timing than talent.
Just my opinion, of course. Music is very subjective, and I wouldn't fault someone for being a Nirvana fan, just as I wouldn't expect someone to fault me for liking My Chemical Romance...
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knapplc wrote:The fact that Nirvana became popular doesn't mean they made good music. The record industry has the power to create a "popular" band simply by forcing them to be played over and over on radio and MTV and marketed correctly. Milli Vanilli is one example, and in my opinion Nirvana is another.
You're right, it wasn't their popularity that made their music good, they made good music because they were good musicians. Again you don't have to care for their music...hell I don't really care for their music all that much but what they did they did well. They helped to pump life back into a stale music scene and at the epicenter of the grunge movement.
knapplc wrote:The fact that Nirvana became popular doesn't mean they made good music. The record industry has the power to create a "popular" band simply by forcing them to be played over and over on radio and MTV and marketed correctly. Milli Vanilli is one example, and in my opinion Nirvana is another.
You're right, it wasn't their popularity that made their music good, they made good music because they were good musicians. Again you don't have to care for their music...hell I don't really care for their music all that much but what they did they did well. They helped to pump life back into a stale music scene and at the epicenter of the grunge movement.
I agree with this. But as Art said, give me AIC any day over Nirvana for quality of music, and Live as well (nod to inuk).
I bought Nevermind just like every other college kid in the early 90s and I played it til the CD was so scratched it was unusable, too, so don't think I'm just randomly knocking Nirvana. Perspective through time is where I'm getting this opinion. Nirvana was the first of the grunge metal bands, but not the best.
Heck, I'm more a fan of Hole than Nirvana, and Foo Fighters over either of them.