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Postby Erboes » Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:30 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:I don't know why Phelps would lose ABs late. Fullmer, on the other hand, may sit against lefties. I think both will give you very good production. Phelps may take a while to qualify at 1B.


I know he is supposed to lose AB's early to Myers at DH, and I don't think their happy with the guy overall because of his lack of selectivity at the plate, so if he struggles at all he could lose more. Remember, they have a load of kids they'll want to take a look at once they're out of the race, so that will only hurt him. That's just my opinion though.
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Postby Broncmet724 » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:52 am

Fullmer will probably help you more this season versus Phelps. However be aware that Fullmer has an injury history.
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Postby grammysboy » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:01 am

Erboes wrote:I know he is supposed to lose AB's early to Myers at DH, and I don't think their happy with the guy overall because of his lack of selectivity at the plate, so if he struggles at all he could lose more. Remember, they have a load of kids they'll want to take a look at once they're out of the race, so that will only hurt him. That's just my opinion though.


Their website and Rotowire still list Myers as the #1 catcher and Phelps as the DH. Weren't the Jays talking about someone else to play catcher this season?

You're right, if Myer's hitting wasn't a strange quirk last season, I'd look for him to get as many ABs as they can give him and at Phelps expense.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:20 am

Erboes wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:I don't know why Phelps would lose ABs late. Fullmer, on the other hand, may sit against lefties. I think both will give you very good production. Phelps may take a while to qualify at 1B.


I know he is supposed to lose AB's early to Myers at DH, and I don't think their happy with the guy overall because of his lack of selectivity at the plate, so if he struggles at all he could lose more. Remember, they have a load of kids they'll want to take a look at once they're out of the race, so that will only hurt him. That's just my opinion though.


I have to disagree. Tosca really likes Phelps. Right now the lineup in Toronto looks like this:

Catalanotto
Hinske
Wells
Delgado
Phelps

That's an excellent RBI spot for Phelps if he can hold on to it. Phelps will be worked into a 1b job because Delgado will be given plenty of rest at DH - as the vet Delgado will be allowed to play 1st for as long as he wants (at least to start the season) so Phelps will probably not qualify at 1st until a couple of months into the season.

I don't know where you got the info about Myers. The Jays will start off with Myers and Cash with the plan being that Cash and Guillermo Quiroz will be the catching tandem for the next 5-10 years with Cash being the defensive specialist and Quiroz the hitter. Myers has no future with the club.

You are correct about the number of prospects however. The for-sure OF include Wells, Cat, Reed Johnson. But the guys that will certainly get some duty this year include Gabe Gross, Jayson Werth, Rios and John ford Griffin. So Phelps, Johnson and Cat will probably lose playing time later in the season especially if the Jays fall out of contention.

I like both Phelps and Fullmer as sleepers. I still like Phelps a lot more than Fullmer. There is some injury concern with Fullmer. And he has to do better against lefties or he will miss some ABs too.
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Postby Erboes » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:41 am

Mookie,

I read it a couple weeks ago about Myers at DH. Whether it comes true or not I cannot say but it was out there.

It is true about Fullmer's average against lefties and I doubt whether he'll get that many at bats against them, but he should still get close to 500 of them, which is about the same I have for Phelps.

I have Phelps hitting more HR's, but the RBI's and runs are about the same. It comes down to the 5 or more SB's and higher average that Fullmer will probably provide. If that happens it more than compensates for Phelps advantage in HR's and gives the edge to Fullmer in my book. This is why I like Fullmer for this season. Time will tell though.
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Postby MashinSpuds » Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:03 pm

hooligan1 wrote:Keep in mind however, that neither of these guys actually qualifies at 1B yet, and quite possibly will not at all this season. I am speaking of the Yahoo leagues specifically, although this probably applies to other leagues as well. They are both DH-eligible only.


Actually, Yahoo already has Fullmer at 1B,DH with Phelps still at DH. The main worry here is whether or not Fullmer will get everyday playing time. Last year he was frustrating to predict, but perhaps if he has a quick start he'll be fulltime. I would watch Phelps, not only for progress but also for those 1B starts, before picking him up. Make him earn a spot on your team.
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Postby TheRawDAWG » Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:39 pm

Alright, throw that Myers taking ABs away from Phelps out the window. There is absolutely nothing to that. Myers had a career year at the age of 37 (?) last year. Do you honestly think the Jays put any stock into him doing it again? Phelps is also one of the young guys the jays are trying to develop so I don't see him being the guy that loases playing time to Rios and Gross when they get the sept. call up. If you want a gaurantee of 20 homers, 80 RBIs, and a .290 aver. go with Fullmer. If you want the possibility of 35 homers, 110 RBIS, .300 aver. Go with Phelps. I'm a gambler I'm going with Phelps. I'm also from Toronto so I may be a little biased. :-b
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:14 pm

hooligan1 wrote: Fullmer should be pretty solid, and perhaps the "safer" pick. You know what he should do given the proper amount of AB's. He also is almost certain to steal more bases. Phelps should have roughly 0 SB's, whereas Fullmer could easily have 8-10 and 15 is not much of a stretch.....


Hmm, depends on what you mean by "safer". I tend to think "younger" is "safer" because while less predictable, younger players are also much, much more likely to have significant jumps in their performance, while older players (and really, Fullmer isn't that old) tend to be much, much more likely to have significant declines in performance.

On SBs, all I can say is WTF? Fullmer has NEVER stolen more than 10 bases, and his 162 game average is 7 bases. He's not going to play 162 games, so his SBs is much more likely to be 4-6 than 8-10, and 15 just is not going to happen.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:17 pm

Erboes wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:I don't know why Phelps would lose ABs late. Fullmer, on the other hand, may sit against lefties. I think both will give you very good production. Phelps may take a while to qualify at 1B.


I know he is supposed to lose AB's early to Myers at DH, and I don't think their happy with the guy overall because of his lack of selectivity at the plate, so if he struggles at all he could lose more. Remember, they have a load of kids they'll want to take a look at once they're out of the race, so that will only hurt him. That's just my opinion though.


I think plans may have changed. Rotoworld has Cash starting 5 times a week at catcher and Myers 1-2 times per week. If they DH Myers, then they take the risk that if Cash has to come out of a game, their pitcher has to bat. Most teams will not DH their back-up catcher for that very reason.

Erboes, did you do your Fullmer prediction before or after A-Rod's departure? I'm guessing that despite Soriano's addition, total offense in Texas declines from that move.
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