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Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby ultrazero » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:23 pm

Why not?
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby CadensDad » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:05 am

Because he wasn't voted in.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby BillyHallDisciple » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:00 am

Why not as a reserve?
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby kab21 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:58 am

the reason that he's not an all-star is that he plays 1B and although his stats are great they don't standout vs the other AL 1B in the All-Star team or even several that weren't all-stars. Personally I would have taken him over Pena but Pena isn't having a bad season.

Can you really make a case that he was slighted when you compare his stats vs Youkilis, Morneau, Branyan, Tex, Pena with guys like Konerko and Morales also putting up good numbers. That's 8 guys with very good offensive numbers for 3 spots (possibly 4). Someone is going to be snubbed.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby colby2152 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:09 pm

kab21 wrote:the reason that he's not an all-star is that he plays 1B and although his stats are great they don't standout vs the other AL 1B in the All-Star team or even several that weren't all-stars. Personally I would have taken him over Pena but Pena isn't having a bad season.

Can you really make a case that he was slighted when you compare his stats vs Youkilis, Morneau, Branyan, Tex, Pena with guys like Konerko and Morales also putting up good numbers. That's 8 guys with very good offensive numbers for 3 spots (possibly 4). Someone is going to be snubbed.


This year (pre-Allstar), I would rank AL 1B accordingly...

Morneau
Youkilis
Cabrera
Branyan
Teixeira
Pena
Konerko

It is tough to do, but you really have to ignore stats such as runs and ribbies because those aren't really individual stats for the player. Such stats depend on the team's performance.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby Montana168 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:39 pm

pena was picked of over miggy because the AL's manager was pena's manager, Joe Madden, so obviously madden picked his guy.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby Bloody Sox » Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:49 pm

colby2152 wrote:
kab21 wrote:the reason that he's not an all-star is that he plays 1B and although his stats are great they don't standout vs the other AL 1B in the All-Star team or even several that weren't all-stars. Personally I would have taken him over Pena but Pena isn't having a bad season.

Can you really make a case that he was slighted when you compare his stats vs Youkilis, Morneau, Branyan, Tex, Pena with guys like Konerko and Morales also putting up good numbers. That's 8 guys with very good offensive numbers for 3 spots (possibly 4). Someone is going to be snubbed.


This year (pre-Allstar), I would rank AL 1B accordingly...

Morneau
Youkilis
Cabrera
Branyan
Teixeira
Pena
Konerko

It is tough to do, but you really have to ignore stats such as runs and ribbies because those aren't really individual stats for the player. Such stats depend on the team's performance.


Well, your rankings are just the AL 1B sorted by OPS (which is reasonable), except that you switched Cabrera and Branyan. This kind of illustrates the point - Youkilis and Morneau were no brainers, Teixeira was voted in by the fans. You can certainly make an argument that Cabrera deserved to go over Pena, but based strictly on OPS, Branyan deserved it even more.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby kab21 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:16 pm

Bloody Sox wrote:Well, your rankings are just the AL 1B sorted by OPS (which is reasonable), except that you switched Cabrera and Branyan. This kind of illustrates the point - Youkilis and Morneau were no brainers, Teixeira was voted in by the fans. You can certainly make an argument that Cabrera deserved to go over Pena, but based strictly on OPS, Branyan deserved it even more.


Exactly. And the separation between the 1st and 6th players on the list is not that much. 10 people could make 10 different rankings. it's not like MCab got snubbed for Billy Butler or something.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera not an all star?

Postby colby2152 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:22 pm

kab21 wrote:
Bloody Sox wrote:Well, your rankings are just the AL 1B sorted by OPS (which is reasonable), except that you switched Cabrera and Branyan. This kind of illustrates the point - Youkilis and Morneau were no brainers, Teixeira was voted in by the fans. You can certainly make an argument that Cabrera deserved to go over Pena, but based strictly on OPS, Branyan deserved it even more.


Exactly. And the separation between the 1st and 6th players on the list is not that much. 10 people could make 10 different rankings. it's not like MCab got snubbed for Billy Butler or something.


Definitely not which is the problem here. First base is a flooded position of power hitters. Maybe if Cabrera played the hot corner again, he would be in the allstar game.
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