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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby greenandgold » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:55 pm

skjelstrom wrote:
greenandgold wrote:I think this year Lincecum's change up might be the best

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... t-changeup


I was actually just reading that article myself, but if you notice it says his changeball is second to Rich Harden's but actually better because of how well he uses it with his fastball. A changeup relies on the effectiveness of their fastball too.

So is it who's pitch is best or more effective?


Harden gets more K's with his but Lincecum saves more runs/100 change ups thrown, guess it depends on what you look for.
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby MasterX1918 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:07 pm

Jays for Days wrote:Fastball: Papelbon

hardly. Verlander is probably #1 in my book.
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby zhutou » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:32 pm

lincecum has the best change
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:52 pm

zhutou wrote:lincecum has the best change


this. it's also ridiculous because he basically learned to throw it at the major league level and it's already this good. when he was drafted he was almost entirely a fastball/curveball pitcher but the addition of the change up just made him silly good.
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby KCollins1304 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:11 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:
zhutou wrote:lincecum has the best change


this. it's also ridiculous because he basically learned to throw it at the major league level and it's already this good. when he was drafted he was almost entirely a fastball/curveball pitcher but the addition of the change up just made him silly good.


It helps that most hitters in the NL West couldn't hit slow-pitch softball. ;-)
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:25 pm

KCollins1304 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
zhutou wrote:lincecum has the best change


this. it's also ridiculous because he basically learned to throw it at the major league level and it's already this good. when he was drafted he was almost entirely a fastball/curveball pitcher but the addition of the change up just made him silly good.


It helps that most hitters in the NL West couldn't hit slow-pitch softball. ;-)


as opposed to the powerhouse offenses in the NL Central, NL East and AL West? The only division that is clearly better than the NL West is the AL East imo.
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby thejusman1 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:41 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:
KCollins1304 wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:
this. it's also ridiculous because he basically learned to throw it at the major league level and it's already this good. when he was drafted he was almost entirely a fastball/curveball pitcher but the addition of the change up just made him silly good.


It helps that most hitters in the NL West couldn't hit slow-pitch softball. ;-)


as opposed to the powerhouse offenses in the NL Central, NL East and AL West? The only division that is clearly better than the NL West is the AL East imo.


I gotta agree. I think the NL West is actually pretty strong this year, what with the Dodgers being the best team in baseball so far and the Rockies and Padres both stringing together mid-season surges. If any division has been a joke this year, it has been the injury-riddled NL Central.
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby hybrid » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:24 pm

Actually there was a thread about this about 2 months ago. I'm too lazy to bring it up, just saying though...
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby High Inside Heater » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:28 pm

Verlander's fastball is absolutely retarded good.
Hamel's change can make anyone look dumb
Lidge slider is almost unhittable
Zito's curve use to be the best but i still admire the plane break it has.

darkhorse here no one would think is Ricky Romero's Change-up is destroying the league and is getting raves as Santana like.
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Re: Best Pitches in Majors

Postby bmalone » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:50 pm

Pitch type: My pick, eyeball average between FanGraphs pick by "pitch value runs above average" and Baseball Analysts "run value per 100 pitches". (These are very similar metrics, so there isn't much of a difference.)

Fastball: Verlander, Haren (this guy is top 3 in a few pitches. though he doesn't throw 100 like Verlander, apparently Haren somehow has more "rise" on his 4-seam FB's than any other pitcher and no one comes close to his 4-seamer as far as effectiveness goes)
Curveball: Wainwright, Wainwright/Wandy (Wandy has had one of the best curveballs the last 2 years as well, including the best curve in 2007).
Slider: Greinke, Greinke/Dempster (not sure why Greinke doesn't throw it more often, like Dempster does. also important to note there that Marmol's slider has the most overall movement in the game, with a top 5 ranking in both vertical and horizontal movement. maybe this is why he can't get it over the plate anymore!)
Change: Lincecum, Lincecum (not even close. Santana's is still really good, but it doesn't play as well off his weakening fastball anymore)
Cutter: Rivera (he and Roy are both sick nasty, but it's Rivera's only pitch! would love to see how Roy would do if he only threw a cutter. would like to note here that this is probably the best pitch in the game, given that hitters know it's coming each and every time, and yet his career BAA is .212. silly stuff.), Halladay/Rivera (analysis shows that Rivera has more break away from RHB's, but Halladay gets more sink. would also like to note that Mr. Haren is 4th on the cutter list, giving him 3 legitimate "out" pitches with his FB, CT, and SF)
Sinker: Lowe (Webb, when healthy), Lowe (though one could make a case for Pineiro and his league-leading 61% GB)
Split: Harden (misses bats), Haren (induces groundballs)
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