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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby kickureface » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:39 pm

so the theory is the 30-50 games extra is the most ppl can handle?

i was assuming since you get 6 months off, your pitching body would be fully rested from season to season? and the 5 days of rest in between starts is plenty to rest the body as well.

i dont know anything, rectify any comments please.

how do they 'shut down' pitchers? like last 10 games completely sit them out, or skip their starts every other probable game for them, etc. and under what conditions do they consider shutting down pitchers or keeping them in?

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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby Noggy » Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:54 pm

kickureface wrote:i was assuming since you get 6 months off, your pitching body would be fully rested from season to season? and the 5 days of rest in between starts is plenty to rest the body as well.


The issue is the length of the season. MLB regular season is 162 games. A full year minor league team plays I believe 140 games. The college season is 60 or so games. A college player may pitch some more in international tournaments or summer leagues, but that's still a large increase in workload every step of the way. Whenever you do something more than you ever have before, obviously fatigue will be an issue.


how do they 'shut down' pitchers? like last 10 games completely sit them out, or skip their starts every other probable game for them, etc. and under what conditions do they consider shutting down pitchers or keeping them in?


It depends on what the team wants to do and where they are in the standings. They can do what you said, the other option is to move him to the bullpen as he approaches his innings limit.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby kickureface » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:25 am

what is considered an average limit and an upper end limit? are there players who just do well even in the upper limits?
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C: Montero
1B: Teix
2B: Roberts
3B: Longoria
SS: Nishioka
LF: Holliday
CF: Rios
RF: Bruce
OF: Pence
IF: Kila
Util: Raburn
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby AussieDodger » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:24 am

kickureface wrote:so the theory is the 30-50 games extra is the most ppl can handle?


No, 30-50 innings.

If someone like Joba for example is earmarked for 140-150 innings this year, when he gets to like 120-ish they'll most likely put him in the bullpen.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby kickureface » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:36 am

AussieDodger wrote:
kickureface wrote:so the theory is the 30-50 games extra is the most ppl can handle?


No, 30-50 innings.

If someone like Joba for example is earmarked for 140-150 innings this year, when he gets to like 120-ish they'll most likely put him in the bullpen.


was that a typo? :P

where do i find a list of earmarked innings (what does earmarked even mean).
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R, HR, RBI, AVG, SB, BB, K, 1B, 2B, (3B, E, GS)
W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP, BB, HLD, IP, QS, (L, BS, CG)

C: Montero
1B: Teix
2B: Roberts
3B: Longoria
SS: Nishioka
LF: Holliday
CF: Rios
RF: Bruce
OF: Pence
IF: Kila
Util: Raburn
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby AussieDodger » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:39 am

kickureface wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:
kickureface wrote:so the theory is the 30-50 games extra is the most ppl can handle?


No, 30-50 innings.

If someone like Joba for example is earmarked for 140-150 innings this year, when he gets to like 120-ish they'll most likely put him in the bullpen.


was that a typo? :P

where do i find a list of earmarked innings (what does earmarked even mean).


You don't really need a list, just look at young pitchers who haven't pitched many innings in a season before, and add 30-40 to their highest season total.

http://thebaseballcube.com/ will help you find the totals.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby Yoda » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:50 am

Ender wrote:Haven't really seen much to validate the theory yet this year, but if a bunch of these guys tank in the 2nd half I guess it validates it some.


But how many pitchers has he sampled in the past? Could it be that there is only a very loose correlation between IP increase and injuries? I do think that a sudden changes can affect pitchers but I'm not so sure a blanket IP increase is necessarily the best thing to look at.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby pibb55 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:04 am

Yoda wrote:
But how many pitchers has he sampled in the past? Could it be that there is only a very loose correlation between IP increase and injuries? I do think that a sudden changes can affect pitchers but I'm not so sure a blanket IP increase is necessarily the best thing to look at.


I dont have all the numbers in front of me but I know that last year it held true. Of all pitchers under 25 who increased their innings by 25 or more in 2007 averaged a 64 inning drop off last year.

thats not good news for Jurrjens, Lincecum, Hamels, Lester, Danks, Billingsley, G Floyd, Kershaw, and Greinke
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