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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby kickureface » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:30 am

im a newb but WHY DO PITCHERS GET SHUT DOWN!!!??? :(
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:56 am

kickureface wrote:im a newb but WHY DO PITCHERS GET SHUT DOWN!!!??? :(


Because the majority of them can't handle a large jump in innings pitched season-to-season.

The popular school of thought (headed by Tom Veducci) is that 30 innings max is the acceptable jump.
There is another group who think 40-50 max is OK.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby Yoda » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:46 am

AussieDodger wrote:
kickureface wrote:im a newb but WHY DO PITCHERS GET SHUT DOWN!!!??? :(


Because the majority of them can't handle a large jump in innings pitched season-to-season.

The popular school of thought (headed by Tom Veducci) is that 30 innings max is the acceptable jump.
There is another group who think 40-50 max is OK.


I don't think Verducci effect had a lot of effect on pitchers from last year. Not yet at least anyway.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:51 am

Yoda wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:
kickureface wrote:im a newb but WHY DO PITCHERS GET SHUT DOWN!!!??? :(


Because the majority of them can't handle a large jump in innings pitched season-to-season.

The popular school of thought (headed by Tom Veducci) is that 30 innings max is the acceptable jump.
There is another group who think 40-50 max is OK.


I don't think Verducci effect had a lot of effect on pitchers from last year. Not yet at least anyway.


It's probably a little early to tell.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby mkultra » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:49 am

Yoda wrote:I don't think Verducci effect had a lot of effect on pitchers from last year. Not yet at least anyway.


Ervin Santana
Ricky Nolasco

... just to name a couple off the top of my head...
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby CharlatanSin » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:09 am

Joba will probably be skipped a few times over the second half to make sure he's ready for the playoffs.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby Ender » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:05 am

Well lets look at how they are doing.

Lester - came out slow but even though the ERA is higher he is probably pitching better this year
Hamels - same as Lester pretty much
Billingsley - pretty much exactly the same as in 2008
Lincecum - even better than last year
Kershaw - shown improvement so far
Eveland - DFA'd, but he was never very good in the first place so hard to blame the innings
Pelfrey - ERA has spiked but it is mostly a LOB% blip, peripherals haven't changed much
Danks - slipped a little but nothing too noticeable
Jurrjens - pitching about the same as last year

Haven't really seen much to validate the theory yet this year, but if a bunch of these guys tank in the 2nd half I guess it validates it some.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:11 am

Ender wrote:Well lets look at how they are doing.

Lester - came out slow but even though the ERA is higher he is probably pitching better this year
Hamels - same as Lester pretty much
Billingsley - pretty much exactly the same as in 2008
Lincecum - even better than last year
Kershaw - shown improvement so far
Eveland - DFA'd, but he was never very good in the first place so hard to blame the innings
Pelfrey - ERA has spiked but it is mostly a LOB% blip, peripherals haven't changed much
Danks - slipped a little but nothing too noticeable
Jurrjens - pitching about the same as last year

Haven't really seen much to validate the theory yet this year, but if a bunch of these guys tank in the 2nd half I guess it validates it some.


I was thinking it would kind of be a stamina thing, not an instant asplode! thing.
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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby bigh0rt » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:13 am

AussieDodger wrote:
Ender wrote:Well lets look at how they are doing.

Lester - came out slow but even though the ERA is higher he is probably pitching better this year
Hamels - same as Lester pretty much
Billingsley - pretty much exactly the same as in 2008
Lincecum - even better than last year
Kershaw - shown improvement so far
Eveland - DFA'd, but he was never very good in the first place so hard to blame the innings
Pelfrey - ERA has spiked but it is mostly a LOB% blip, peripherals haven't changed much
Danks - slipped a little but nothing too noticeable
Jurrjens - pitching about the same as last year

Haven't really seen much to validate the theory yet this year, but if a bunch of these guys tank in the 2nd half I guess it validates it some.


I was thinking it would kind of be a stamina thing, not an instant asplode! thing.

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Re: Lets list pitchers who may be shut down (IP LIMITS)

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:18 am

bigh0rt wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:
Ender wrote:Well lets look at how they are doing.

Lester - came out slow but even though the ERA is higher he is probably pitching better this year
Hamels - same as Lester pretty much
Billingsley - pretty much exactly the same as in 2008
Lincecum - even better than last year
Kershaw - shown improvement so far
Eveland - DFA'd, but he was never very good in the first place so hard to blame the innings
Pelfrey - ERA has spiked but it is mostly a LOB% blip, peripherals haven't changed much
Danks - slipped a little but nothing too noticeable
Jurrjens - pitching about the same as last year

Haven't really seen much to validate the theory yet this year, but if a bunch of these guys tank in the 2nd half I guess it validates it some.


I was thinking it would kind of be a stamina thing, not an instant asplode! thing.

Stop quoting your wife.


Well I can't exactly quote your hand can I? ;-7

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