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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby mweir145 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:55 pm

DVauthrin wrote:
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DVauthrin wrote:The Jays may have felt like they had no pressure to move Halladay now, but to me that was a big mistake. Considering teams would pay more for two seasons of halladay than either one(if he gets traded this offseason) or 2-3 months(deadline deal), it was time to deal him.

If they put money into the team this offseason and try to win, I can't consider it a mistake. The team is quite good. If they don't, and actually think they can contend without a proper 3B, then yeah they should have dealt him.

The question then becomes which route do you think ownership takes?

The one they always have. If they don't do anything in the offseason, then we can say that the team made a mistake here.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby bazzy_51 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:56 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

haha check out Jeff Passan ripping JP
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby SpecialFNK » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:09 pm

maybe Ricciardi was in a losing situation no matter what he did?
if teams were really not going to give up what Ricciardi wanted, he couldnt really win.
maybe the only real winning situation was to keep him and try to contend in 2010, wheather some see that being realistic or not.
if he traded off Halladay for a package of prospects that never amounted to anything how do you think it would have looked in the future?
i think it was somewhere else where i mentioned this, but lets say he traded Halladay and down the road the players he traded ended up being an average #3 type pitcher, a 4th OF bench player, average infielder, and a potential pitcher who never makes the major leagues, (or any other failed combination). down the road people would look back and say wow Ricciardi got hosed.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby mweir145 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:12 pm

bazzy_51 wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkWRKIwmwsDmVFTh968efuo5nYcB?slug=jp-firericciardi073109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

haha check out Jeff Passan ripping JP

Passan's entire premise doesn't take into account the possibility that the Jays will contend next year, the financial benefit of having Roy Halladay on the Jays for this season and next, the possible alienation of a majority of Jays fans that would have come from a deal (especially one to Boston and New York), and the fact that JP isn't the only one making the decisions for the Jays (Beeston had the final say). There are simply a lot of factors involved in a possible deal that Passan doesn't mention. Oh, and JP may end up being fired this winter anyway.

I also think he is wrong about JP overplaying his hand. I just don't think the team ever had any intention of dealing him unless he got a ridiculous offer. JP said as much for the entire month. All of the supposed posturing may not have been posturing at all. It may have actually been the truth.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby mweir145 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:14 pm

SpecialFNK wrote:maybe Ricciardi was in a losing situation no matter what he did?

JP has always been in a losing situation. He is the GM of the Toronto Blue Jays in the AL East.

Really, he has built one of the better teams in baseball, but the majority of fans hate him, and the team isn't likely to make the playoffs this year or next because of the teams in front of them. He's stuck.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby SpecialFNK » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:30 pm

as expected Ricciardi has said he will be open to trading Halladay in the offseason.
rotoworld.com
Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi said Friday that he'll be open to trade proposals for Roy Halladay in the offseason.
As expected. The Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels, Yankees and Rangers showed interest in the Toronto ace this summer and are likely to contend for his services again in November. The asking price will remain astronomical.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby jlm53089 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:45 am

All I can say is...
I told you so.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby SpecialFNK » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:37 pm

alot of people probually didnt expect Halladay to get traded, maybe mostly because of what Ricciardi was asking for in return.
alot of people probually expected Ricciardi to listen to offers again in the offseason, but its probually going to be the same situation where he has to be wowed to trade Halalday.

Ricciardi tells ESPN.com's Peter Gammons that the Jays "may be able to contend" next year with Roy Halladay around.
there is a link..
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/in ... mons_peter
unfortunately you have to be an insider to read it, this is all it says for free..
The sun set on the trade deadline, and J.P. Ricciardi repeated his refrain. "We're talking about Roy Halladay," Ricciardi said. "We're talking about the best pitcher in baseball."

To continue reading this article you must be an Insider

be nice to know what the article says beyond the we can contend next year.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby DVauthrin » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:48 pm

SpecialFNK wrote:alot of people probually didnt expect Halladay to get traded, maybe mostly because of what Ricciardi was asking for in return.
alot of people probually expected Ricciardi to listen to offers again in the offseason, but its probually going to be the same situation where he has to be wowed to trade Halalday.

Ricciardi tells ESPN.com's Peter Gammons that the Jays "may be able to contend" next year with Roy Halladay around.


Here's the problem. The Jays can't realistically view their talent base for 2010 as superior to any of the Yankees, Red Sox or Rays. Plus, the odds of Halladay staying in Toronto once his contract expires are very low. So in order to even have a remote chance of keeping Halladay, they have to leapfrog two of the the three teams ahead of them. Those odds are also not good.

At some point you have to realize you won't get the moon, but your return is still much better than two compensation picks when he declines arbitration. Now, there is the argument that a fan revolt might happen in Toronto if they deal Halladay. But the same loss of fans will happen in the following offseason when he leaves for greener pastures.
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Re: Roy Halladay trade thread

Postby mweir145 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:29 pm

DVauthrin wrote: But the same loss of fans will happen in the following offseason when he leaves for greener pastures.

That just isn't true. A player leaving in free agency gives a completely different perception than a trade.
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