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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:50 pm

Surfs up wrote:I'm still not a beleiver. I said it a while back he would have his times when he hits like he did a couple of years ago. 40 or so at bats and 6 hrs is not enough to make me try to trade for him or pick him up. Of course hes going to hit from time to time. but his best is behind him IMO. We'll see more of what we saw early in the season. Many of you are going to get totally burned.


Highly unlikely. Most of us got him for next to nothing. I picked him up at the start of June of when he started showing some signs of life. Since then hes been locked into my utility position.

Some of his recent HRs have been moonshots so I don't see why he shouldn't continue to be productive. Clearly he can't keep up this pace but the chances of him slumping as bad as he did early in the year are slim.

There's really no way to get burned by a player you have so little invested in. Everybody thought he was completely finished.
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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby Precise » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:21 pm

Burned? I dropped Carl Pavano for him lol. He gained 1b eligibility in my league as well.
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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby Surfs up » Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:50 pm

Yes I have seen him play. In fact I have seen him play ALL of his games since I am here in NE and I see all of the Sox games.
Yes some have been moon shots and a couple would have been caught in most other parks. One was barely hit 300 ft down the right field line. Did you see that?
I should have clarified what I meant by burned. Some I read were going to use a # 1 waiver on him. If you dropped somebody like Pavano thats a different story.
I alo never said he wouldn't hit . I said we won't see what we WERE used to seeing. And of course he can't keep up this pace.
I also think someday the truth will come out about how old he really is.
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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby AKhomebrewer » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:07 am

I'm not going to take either extreme here (Ortiz is not the next coming of Ruth, neither is he a catatonic blimp) but, that 1b eligibility alone is a substantial boost in his value. Even more so in those 1b-3b-CI leagues that leave the waiver wire bereft. If you've got him and don't like his prognosis, now's the time to sell.
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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby creepingdeath » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:23 pm

I drafted Ortiz in 3 out of 4 leagues. The 4th league I traded Asdrubal Cabrera for Ortiz on June the 5th, back when Ortiz had the 1 HR. I think it was about a day later and Cabrera went on the DL. That trade has greatly benefited my team.

Now that Papi is swinging that bat again, my money league team is making a serious push for 1st. I think every slot is legitamitely solidified... For now at least.

14 team roto redraft $ league. R, HR, RBI, SB, TB, OPS, AVG, W, CG, SV, BB, K, ERA, WHIP. 1300 IP.

C- Varitek
1B- Ortiz
2B- A. Hill
3B- Rolen
SS- Jeter
CI- Helton
MI- O. Hudson
OF- Dunn, H. Matsui, Cuddyer
UTIL- Fowler
BN- F. Sanchez, A. Cabrera, Vlad

SP- Halladay, Jared Weaver, Oswalt
RP- Broxton, F. Cordero, Francisco
P- Smoltz, Washburn, Pettitte, P. Martinez
DL- T. Hudson
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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:03 am

creepingdeath wrote:C- Varitek
1B- Ortiz
2B- A. Hill
3B- Rolen
SS- Jeter
CI- Helton
MI- O. Hudson
OF- Dunn, H. Matsui, Cuddyer
UTIL- Fowler
BN- F. Sanchez, A. Cabrera, Vlad

SP- Halladay, Jared Weaver, Oswalt
RP- Broxton, F. Cordero, Francisco
P- Smoltz, Washburn, Pettitte, P. Martinez
DL- T. Hudson


Quick question, what made you target Ortiz so highly that you drafted him in 3/4 of your leagues?


Also, I wouldn't be so sure about a huge push towards first with that team and the mention categories above. I mean who was your first round draft pick? Halladay is the closest thing on that team with 1st round status. Roy's average draft position was ~40 ish no?

Also every position hasn't been solidified, Cuddyer, Matsui, Varitek, Fowler and Rolen are some holes. Most of those guys are FA in a lot of my other leagues. Most of your offensive production comes from your two second basemen.
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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby creepingdeath » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:11 am

My 165th post will answer you 165th post, coincidently.

Good question which happend to make me cringe. Easy answer... I am a homer. I expected a huge rebound this year and took Ortiz in the first round as I have/or traded for since 2005, with great success I might also add. In this $ league I have tophied and cashed every year...2008 3 of 13, 2007 2 of 15, 2006 1 of 15, 2005 2 of 16. I was the 11th pick of 14 as follows...

Ortiz
Halladay (CC was gone and I drafted him for CG)
Vlad
Dunn
Magglio (I thought he would rebound)
Jeter (always good value in the 6th)
Broxton
Oswalt
Delgado
F. Cordero
Hideki (expecting 25 HR with good AVG and OPS)
Glaus (before I knew he would miss much time)
Pettitte (started playing matchup with him recently)
Wang (first time drafting him in my career)
Francisco
Escobar (for depth and the upside, ahead of schedule my ass)
Shoppach (thought he would be the #1)
Pedro Martinez (I have not been holding onto him this entire time I swear)
Hill (19th round)
Sheffield (I have loved this man ever since I can remember)
Corpas
Helton
Castillo
A. Carbrera

I disagree with you and see this as a solid team in a 14 teamer, especially with the cats. I am currently in 2nd place, 12.5 points out of 1st with a mapped out plan to win. I have a 7.5 point lead over 3rd and 20 points over 4th.

Varitek FA, You dont need an all star catcher to win, if I get 20 HR, decent OPS and his AVG up to 260 I will be exstatic.
Rolen FA, Preseason replacement for Glaus. Low HR, but helps in R, TB, AVG and OPS.
Hudson FA, R, RBI, TB, AVG.
Cuddyer FA, R, HR, RBI, TB, OPS.
Fowler FA, Specialist for SB.

Weaver, Preseason # 4 Waiver claim. 3 CG, 10 wins, great K/BB ratios and overall good numbers.
Smoltz FA, DL him for a month before his return, I expect nothing short of... well Smoltz.
Washburn FA, picked him up after I gave up on Escobar. I have used him 4 starts, winning 3 with a CG and insane numbers, low BB.
Pedro and Hudson FA, I recently picked them both up for depth down the stretch.

As for the rest of the gang, sure there are better options out there, but they all are helping me in more cats than hurting me, which I consider solidified. The league also carries a CI and MI slot which softens out the overall depth. I also have a shit ton of more overall points to gain in multiple cats.

This league puts a great deal of emphasis on power, which is why I am trying to package Weaver and Sanchez for Berkman. Wish me luck I guess ;-D
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Re: ortiz heating?

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:06 am

You better hurry for Berkman, he is heating up and quick. Weaver pickup was enormous for you. And I am a Smoltz believer as well. Washburn has been good but I expect a rebound to his normal self. It looks like you are a firm believer in the Vets as seen by your draft list.

But good luck, I hope you win :-)

But I hope the team you root for looses! Go Yanks.
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