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Postby BitterDodgerFan » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:23 pm

yeah he was the #1 offensive player and #2 overall for a while and there were couple days where crawford took over as #1 offensive player but after last night's HR, he's back to being #1.

ESPN's player rater has had crawford at #1 over ibanez for a while though. even pujols was ahead of ibanez for a little bit.
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Postby jake_twothousandfive » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:37 pm

Though I expect him to continue hitting well in the future. I have to wonder how he's going to react to this attention.

Prior to this year, he played for the Mariners and, for two brief seasons, the Royals. Neither of which command much media attention on a national scale. He's never been in the spotlight like this before. It'll be interesting to see how he handles it.
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Postby Neato Torpedo » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:47 pm

He sounds pissed off. ;-D Hopefully that translates to the field and he hits 50 HR.
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Postby BitterDodgerFan » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:04 pm

lets see what happens when he stops taking em. :-b
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Postby SpecialFNK » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:26 pm

hes going to come crashing down when he has an entire month where he is useless. look at some of the months he has had in the past, hes streaky. he can have ridiculous numbers one month and then be terrible the next month.
2008 August- .396 AVG/ .452 OBP/ .703 SLG/ 1.154 OPS/ 7 HR, 31 RBI, 22 R,
2008 September- .233 AVG/ .292 OBP/ .301 SLG/ .593 OPS/ 1 HR, 16 RBI, 13 R
2007 July- .184 AVG/ .241 OBP/ .262 SLG/ .503 OPS/ 0 HR, 12 RBI, 3 R
2007 August- .374 AVG/ .447 OBP/ .682 SLG/ 1.129 OPS/ 9 HR, 22 RBI, 18 R

any player taking a chance by using steroids right now is very stupid knowing there is a chance they could get tested. i wouldnt be surprised if it could be something else like HGH which they cant test for.
the park helps, the NL helps, the lineup helps ..but hes not this good.
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Re: Thoughts on Raul ...

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:29 pm

dude every good player has down months...
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Re: Thoughts on Raul ...

Postby StlSluggers » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:16 pm

Posted by "JRod" at the Midwest Sports Fans site, the piece concluded that "any aging hitter who puts up numbers this much better than his career averages is going to immediately generate suspicion that the numbers are not natural, that perhaps he is under the influence of some sort of performance enhancer."

This is a valid point. The opposite was recently written about Papi by a Boston writer (not a blogger).

It is the sad state of the game. Of course...

"It's unfair," Ibanez went on, "because this story should be about how hard work, determination, and desire trumps chemicals and shortcuts. That should be the message: desire, character, work ethic."

...this is a better point.
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Re: Thoughts on Raul ...

Postby TornHammy » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:18 pm

This is a great story because it combines a few factors that are more recent phenomena and serves as a microcosm for the steroid era and internet age.

Assuming Raul did NOT take steroids, his anger is justified. But it shows how little perspective most baseball players have with regards to PED's and the average fan. Based on Ibanez's reaction, I don't think he actually read the original article by Jared Morris, which can be found here:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/0 ... eculation/

The original article appears to be an objective look at Ibanez's torrid start, and the writer grapples with how a 37 year old slugger with over 5,000 AB's could suddenly enjoy the most productive 200 AB streak of his career.

Ibanez's comments were probably the result of him reading (or someone rehashing to him) the ensuing article in the Philadelphia Inquirer, found here:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/2 ... banez.html

In it, John Gonzalez takes Jared Morris to task - not for accusing Ibanez of taking steroids - but for simply saying it's fair to pose the question: Is Raul Ibanez taking steroids? Gonzalez essentially writes a puff piece for the hometown fans, assuring everyone that Raul's performance is legitimate, that mentioning steroids and Raul's name in the same sentence is going too far, and even landing a few veiled shots at the new internet age that allows uncredentialed hacks like Morris to have a legitimate voice in the debate.

Not 48 hours later, Gonzalez, Morris and Fox Sports Columnist Ken Rosenthal appeared on Outside the Line's (http://www.fenwaywest.com/2009/06/ken-r ... is-db.html) to discuss the brewing controversy. Predictably, Morris gets excoriated from all sides and ends up meekly apologizing to Ibanez and giving a poor defense of his original article.

Is it really so unfair to publicly debate whether Raul Ibanez is using PED's? Ibanez's performance to date certainly appears to defy logic. Yes, he is known as a streaky player, and this could simply be an extended hot streak. But the usual metrics that define a player's improvement or a "lucky" start don't appear in Ibanez's numbers. His BABIP is in line with his career average, his ISO is almost 130 points higher than his previous career high, but he isn't walking more, striking out less, hitting more line drives, or even more fly balls. His previously god awful defense has even improved dramatically.

Raul's increased HR's can be attributed to his career high 26.0% HR/FB ratio, and as HitTracker bears out, he's been mashing the ball over the fence. Where does someone suddenly acquire the ability to hit the ball harder off the bat? Your guess is as good as mine.

How much responsibility do journalists assume for the steroid era? Weren't they the third party that was supposed to be blowing the whistle on this behavior? Did we expect players, owners, managers or trainers to suddenly come forward, in the absence of allegations or investigative reporting, and admit steroid use?

There were whispers of PED's in clubhouses and press boxes during the Steroid Era, but the community of baseball writers were too scared to fire the first salvo. It required someone with all the integrity of...Jose Canseco to come forward first.

And now, given all that we know about steroid use in baseball over the past fifteen years, it is considered ridiculous and out of bounds to openly ask if a dramatic improvement in on the field results at age 37 is somehow related to a change in his off the field...um, preparation?

No one should be accusing Raul Ibanez of taking steroids in the absence of any evidence, but we shouldn't be berating Jared Morris for stating the obvious, either.
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Re: Thoughts on Raul ...

Postby Ender » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:39 pm

And now, given all that we know about steroid use in baseball over the past fifteen years, it is considered ridiculous and out of bounds to openly ask if a dramatic improvement in on the field results at age 37 is somehow related to a change in his off the field...um, preparation?


Yes it is ridiculous to single out Ibanez. Maybe we should look at Theriot, Hill, Gonzalez, Bay, Cruz, Branyan, Varitek etc who all have more HR than most people expected at this point. This is just a reporter trying to make a splash by singling out a player for no good reason.
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Re: Thoughts on Raul ...

Postby Neato Torpedo » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:40 pm

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