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Postby mktgteach » Mon May 20, 2002 8:13 pm

I was just offered this trade. Here is my current roster. I would love to hear the board's opinion.

I would give:

Piazza/Urbina

FOR

Pedro Martinez/Mike Leiberthal

What does the board think? Here is the roster.


C- Piazza
1B- Palmeiro
2B- Boone
3B- Glaus
SS- Jeter
OF- Floyd
OF- Klesko
OF- Kearns
Util- Frank Thomas

Bench:

Gary Sheffield
Tony Batista

Pitchers:

Chan Ho Park
Ramon Ortiz
Josh Beckett
Rafael Soriano
Mesa
Urbina
Ted Lilly
Carlos Hernandez
Todd Ritchie
Dennis Tankersley
Ismael Valdes


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Postby EugeneStyles » Mon May 20, 2002 8:27 pm

I would decline it, but that's just because I'm not completely sold on Pedro's health, and I'm really against getting rid of Piazza in any circumstance. Someone else's opinion might be more useful to you, but I thought I'd let you know how I feel.

Some joker in my league offerred me Mark Prior and Brad Ausmus for Mike Piazza, one day after picking up Prior. Yeah right... if I was *that* desperate for Prior, I woulda dropped Shawn Estes for him three days ago.
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Postby it'sbeenawhile » Mon May 20, 2002 8:39 pm

I like this trade for you however my one caveat would be giving up Urbina. It seems like you have a fairly powerful lineup with Glaus, Jeter, a resurgent Floyd, and a remarkable rookie in Kearns. Lieberthal is no Piazza, but if he puts up numbers he's capable of (i.e. numbers comparable to his pre-injury All-Star days), then your loss will be minimal.
I think your pitching staff could use a No. 1 starter in Pedro. It looks kind of thin. You definitely need the help Pedro can give you, but be careful it doesn't come at the expense of punting your saves category.
My advice would be to accept the trade and shop one of your bench players (an underachieving Sheffield or an overachieving Batista who probably won't see much time behind Glaus) for another closer. If you could possibly squeeze a crappy closer out of this guy or get him to bite on Mesa instead or Urbina, you'd be in good shape.

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Postby Arlo » Mon May 20, 2002 9:30 pm

That's quite an offer.

EugeneStyles gets right to the bottom line: if you don't believe Pedro has a good chance of making it through the season without spending extensive time on the DL (translation: if you'll be pulling out your hair all winter if you accept the deal and he becomes injured), close the door on this and don't look back. Trust me.

If, on the other hand, you believe Pedro's fine and usually have a stoic or zen mindset when the risks you take don't work out... well, you've still got a very tough decision. I think it'sbeenawhile hit the nail on the head here: your rotation needs an ace - at the moment, you need too many breaks to go your way. If you're playing roto, I agree that you need to ensure that you get a second closer (through this trade or from another source) before you can accept this deal. If it's h2h, this probably isn't as pressing.

If this were my team, I'd accept the deal, but that decision is based more on style of play than objective reasoning. I tend to go after high-risk/high-reward players; sometimes it works, sometimes the results are catastrophic.

Still, this call is so tight that going by playing style (or instict, or whatever) may be the best way to go here. Since we can see neither into the future nor into the workings of Pedro's arm, the only objective ways to call this seem to be:

a) Where are you in the standings? If you're in the money now, or very close, I'd stay. If you're trailing, hitch your wagon to Pedro and hope he pulls you to the top. Piazza is the very best at the weakest position; Pedro can dominate a league.

b) The sp's due for call-ups relatively soon look pretty solid; there might be a gem or two among them. Impact catchers are another story: there won't be many chances to pick up an upgrade over Lieberthal, much less a Piazza-caliber stud.

Anyway, when all is said and done, I'd want Pedro as my ace and throw caution to the proverbial wind.

Hopefully, a few more opinions will be forthcoming here. I don't know if they'll make the decision any easier, though...

Ausmus and Prior? :-b
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Postby mktgteach » Mon May 20, 2002 10:09 pm

Ok, I am going to ask the board to help me play GM. I have listed my current roster earlier. Below is the guy offering the trade's roster.

I see Piazza and Pedro as equals. However, Leiberthal and Urbina are not. I might try to shift the trade around to help me.

If I am going to give up my #1 pick, it has to be for my complete betterment.

I listed my roster earlier. Here is his roster.

If he really wants Piazza, he might be willing to sweeten the offer to include another SP?

What does the board think?


c-Lieberthal, Mike
1b- Stevens, Lee
2b-Vina, Fernando
3b-Chavez, Eric
ss-Tejada, Miguel
of- Abreu, Bobby
of- Wilson, Preston
of- Berkman, Lance
util- Hidalgo, Richard

Bench

c- Hatteberg, Scott
of- Green, Shawn
of- Grieve, Ben
of- Giambi, Jeremy

Pitchers

Zito, Barry
Martinez, Pedro
Armas, Tony
Ashby, Andy
Halladay, Roy
Wood, Kerry
Vazquez, Javier
Miller, Wade
Moyer, Jamie
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Postby mktgteach » Mon May 20, 2002 10:19 pm

Another Tidbit to add to the pot. Here are the catchers that are currently available on the wire:

Plus, this is a H2H Points League (Sportsline)

Geronomo Gil
Jason Varitek
AJ Pierzinski
Ben Molina
Eli Marrero

I could trade Piazza/others for Pedro/another SP? and get a catcher off the wire? Possiblities????

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Postby mm92280 » Tue May 21, 2002 1:23 am

I personally would accept without hesitation.
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Postby Arlo » Tue May 21, 2002 5:57 am

I'd value Pedro a bit above Piazza, arm and all.

Obvious players to ask for would be Hatteberg (two catchers have a better chance of heating up than one), Green (doubtful, but maybe the other owner is fed up) and Miller. You might not get any of them, but asking can't hurt.

Of catchers on the wire, I like Varitek quite a bit - more than Hatteberg, actually.
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Postby mktgteach » Tue May 21, 2002 6:32 pm

How about this trade?

Piazza/Ramon Ortiz

FOR

Jason Varitek/Pedro Martinez


Do you like it?
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Postby Arlo » Tue May 21, 2002 6:39 pm

I like it. Yaritek isn't star caliber, but he's solid. I like Ortiz, and I think he's improved greatly - however, if you look beyond whip and era, the number of home runs he's given up (13) is disturbing. I haven't been able to see him pitch, but that's not a good sign. If Pedro's health concerns don't bother you too much, I'd do this deal.
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