Ender wrote:Until the trade goes through I would pull it back if one of the players got injured as commish. The trade isn't official until it has been accepted by the commish. So I agree with the commish on this one.
I completely agree. As a commish, I've done this before.
Another Blown Save wrote:This topic always seem to come up every year and I have to say that both sides make a decent argument. The only real solution would be to establish a rule regarding this kind of situation.
Another Blown Save wrote:This topic always seem to come up every year and I have to say that both sides make a decent argument. The only real solution would be to establish a rule regarding this kind of situation.
This is the only acceptable solution.
That is a good idea since some people will get upset, but as a commish I feel that it's my responsibility to evaluate how fair a trade is without regard to when that trade was accepted. If a guy proposed or accepted a trade thinking he was getting a stud 3B, but that guy is out 6-8 weeks when I evaluate the trade then I'm going to veto.
You are telling me that if a commish doesn't check his email for three weeks he can evaluate the trade today rather than three weeks ago? This is obviously an exaggeration to make my point. The commish's job is to evaluate the fairness of the trade when it was accepted, not there after.
To me this commissioner and the ones agreeing with it are over stepping there authority.
The only time a commissioner should ever get involved with a trade is if there is collusion between two owners or cheating. Neither of those was present. The commish decided to veto it because he felt it wasn't fair. Had the commissioner given the thumbs up 1 second after the deal was made(in a perfect world) then things would be different, but why?
Deal should go through, there really isn't any gray area here.
JMB05 wrote:Deal should go through, there really isn't any gray area here.
Exactly. I've been on both ends of this situation and a fair trade is a fair trade at the point it is accepted. Not even remotely debatable.
That's like saying, "Oh....now that I've seen pitcher 'X' get lit up today I've changed my mind and don't want to have him in my starting lineup." You make the decision before the game (trade) and that is that.
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I think the question is "when does a trade become official?" Is the trade official when the teams agree on all the terms or is the trade official when all the players involved are transferred to their respective roster? People who believe in the former will argue that even if a player gets injured, as long they agree to a term, one can't revoke the deal. However, people who believe in the later will say that until the player movements are final, the changes in players' status can influence the deal-pending.
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Another Blown Save wrote:I think the question is "when does a trade become official?" Is the trade official when the teams agree on all the terms or is the trade official when all the players involved are transferred to their respective roster? People who believe in the former will argue that even if a player gets injured, as long they agree to a term, one can't revoke the deal. However, people who believe in the later will say that until the player movements are final, the changes in players' status can influence the deal-pending.
If two parties agree to anything, and there is no cheating involved, why does it matter what anyone thinks, let alone the commish. He is there just to press a button nothing else.
Becoming official should have nothing to do with how the commish views the deal, in the situation the commish made it an ethical point not something having to do with his job duties, he over stepped his bounds if the OP is telling the full truth.
Another Blown Save wrote:I think the question is "when does a trade become official?" Is the trade official when the teams agree on all the terms or is the trade official when all the players involved are transferred to their respective roster? People who believe in the former will argue that even if a player gets injured, as long they agree to a term, one can't revoke the deal. However, people who believe in the later will say that until the player movements are final, the changes in players' status can influence the deal-pending.
But doing it like that then does leave some huge grey area.
Is a guy hurt? How bad is he hurt? What injury timetable means we then cancel it? Etc.... Not to mention once people make trades, they then usually make other moves (adds/drops) accordingly. You'd have to change all those back as well.
It's a slippery slope going with anything other than once a trade is accepted, that's that.
Another Blown Save wrote:I think the question is "when does a trade become official?" Is the trade official when the teams agree on all the terms or is the trade official when all the players involved are transferred to their respective roster? People who believe in the former will argue that even if a player gets injured, as long they agree to a term, one can't revoke the deal. However, people who believe in the later will say that until the player movements are final, the changes in players' status can influence the deal-pending.
But doing it like that then does leave some huge grey area.
Is a guy hurt? How bad is he hurt? What injury timetable means we then cancel it? Etc.... Not to mention once people make trades, they then usually make other moves (adds/drops) accordingly. You'd have to change all those back as well.
It's a slippery slope going with anything other than once a trade is accepted, that's that.
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