This is a friendly 20 dollar a team (14 teams) with my old coworkers whom one of them is the commissioner where ive been playing with these guys for 3 years now.
Thursday morning i was reviewing my league on where i could find a trade partner to get an upgrade for 1B. I tried a Holliday+package for Lance Berkman. Later in the day he countered with his Berkman for MY Aram. I posted a topic about it on the "Draft,keep,trade etc.." boards asking for some advice. So i woke up Friday morning and accepted the trade at approx. 730am pacific time MANY HOURS BEFORE Aram started in his game vs Brewers where he dislocated his shoulder. So now when i check upon the trade status Saturday morning, the commish (who is the only one with trade veto power) vetoes the trade while leaving a message saying "trade vetoed becasue one manager did not know Aram was injured." I made my own league message calling out the other manager as a liar saying he proposed the trade and its not my fault it was bad timing. I also asked the commish that this trade be reinstated on the grounds that he was lying to you about "not knowing" he was injured by the fact that he proposed this trade before Aram got hurt. I called the commish via cellphone and he sounds like he doesnt want to deal with this and just let things be. I am really contemplating of going face to face with my ex-coworker and demand my money back and exit the league??
It might seem unfair to him because hes getting a player who was just DL'd, but i think it is even more unfair to myself because he is the one who proposed the trade one day before Aram got hurt, and now backing out of it claiming "he didnt know." Which i think is complete BS.
Would any of you think the commish was right in vetoing this trade or it is simply just dumb luck by the other manager?
Your commish is a prick. I also traded ARam and the deal went through on Friday in my private league...but the other manager and the commish have no problem with it...and the question of vetoing it after the fact never came up. Sucks to be the other manager...but this is just a case of crap luck is all.
Until the trade goes through I would pull it back if one of the players got injured as commish. The trade isn't official until it has been accepted by the commish. So I agree with the commish on this one.
Ender wrote:Until the trade goes through I would pull it back if one of the players got injured as commish. The trade isn't official until it has been accepted by the commish. So I agree with the commish on this one.
It was accepted a day before the injury. How can that be vetoed??? Bad luck is bad luck, but nothing vetoable here.
This topic always seem to come up every year and I have to say that both sides make a decent argument. The only real solution would be to establish a rule regarding this kind of situation.
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#1 as long as it was accepted before he got injured, the trade should have gone through #2 unless you have $500 or more in this league you are overreacting
Another Blown Save wrote:This topic always seem to come up every year and I have to say that both sides make a decent argument. The only real solution would be to establish a rule regarding this kind of situation.
Agreed.
In this specific situation I do find it funny you are accusing the other owner of being disingenuous when you seem to dance between the one day before that he proposed it (which is irrelevant) and the matter of hours before you actually accepted it. The other manager could have made an honest mistake because the first time he logged in to see the deal there is an injury note on one of the players.
In my league we tend to follow ender's take that its not complete until the commish puts it through mostly because it is not always cut and dry when it is exactly a player got hurt. Note I'm not saying in this case it is not clear.
mweir145 wrote:#1. No, it shouldn't have been vetoed.
#2. Your trading partner has no integrity.
#3. Even if the trade occurred after the injury, it's the responsibility of the guy who is acquiring ARam to know his health.
I agree with that. There are many gray areas at play here, but I'm in the camp of once the trade is accepted by the other owner, it is official. How is it any more fair to the guy with the injured player, (A Ram in this case), if the trade gets vetoed? Someone is gonna get screwed here. I just don't think it's fair to undo a trade if a guy gets hurt AFTER it was accepted. But like some of you have already said, your league should have a set of rules to govern this type of thing. If the trades aren't official until the commish processes it, then so be it. I'm just saying my league does it by the time it was accepted by the other owner. I think that is the best way to do it.
There are many gray areas at play here, but I'm in the camp of once the trade is accepted by the other owner, it is official.
Yeah it pretty much comes down to this. I think a trade is official once the commish pushes it through. It is one of those things that preferably you make clear before the season even begins.
As for the timing of acceptance, in most leagues the commish gets an email as soon as you accept a trade so you should have a time stamp for when you accepted it. If that time stamp is before the injury it should clear up any questions on that end.
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by ssf1234 » Sun May 10, 2009 5:42 am 
