i mean, yes, i hear you, but not enough data (years) to make an assumption for this year. hammy injuries suck. we've all been there. hurts like a mug. and you lose confidence for a while.
Ok, well then you can hold his rookie year against him while I look at the bigger picture, meaning his 167 game track record in the minors in which he hit .315 with 31 home runs 121 rbi and 116 runs. With that being said, theres not enough data to support your argument.
so you're saying minor league level = major league level. wow. there's not enough data to support yours either.
When did I ever say minor leagues = major league. The point is, he's got a track record of being a guy who's a good hitter. By holding a 24 year old's rookie season and saying, hey, he's a .230 hitter is not only uninformed, but it's unintelligent. His 2008 season coincides with his track record in the minor league system. When I've got 167 games of Minor League production and another 152 games of major league production on my side and you've got 150 games of a rookie adjusting to major league pitching, I've got far more evidence on my side of the argument. There's are a few reasons why Drew was drafted as a top 10 SS in fantasy leagues, being a .238 hitter wasnt one of them.
skones wrote: Ok, well then you can hold his rookie year against him while I look at the bigger picture, meaning his 167 game track record in the minors in which he hit .315 with 31 home runs 121 rbi and 116 runs. With that being said, theres not enough data to support your argument.
so you're saying minor league level = major league level. wow. there's not enough data to support yours either.
When did I ever say minor leagues = major league. The point is, he's got a track record of being a guy who's a good hitter. By holding a 24 year old's rookie season and saying, hey, he's a .230 hitter is not only uninformed, but it's unintelligent. His 2008 season coincides with his track record in the minor league system. When I've got 167 games of Minor League production and another 152 games of major league production on my side and you've got 150 games of a rookie adjusting to major league pitching, I've got far more evidence on my side of the argument. There's are a few reasons why Drew was drafted as a top 10 SS in fantasy leagues, being a .238 hitter wasnt one of them.
1. .238 wasn't his rookie season. '06 was. 2. i never held any season to be a predictor. that '12hr' statement was a retort only to shed light that one good year doesn't prove anything. and if i did take any prior season record as a predictor, i typically take a 3 year MLB average. hence my comment 'but not enough data (years) to make an assumption for this year.' 3. relax buddy, why do you think i created this post? to get some perspective. no need for name calling. 4. but i still stand by minor league production does not = major league production. otherwise, it wouldn't be call the minor leagues. 5. "Ok, well then you can hold his rookie year against him while I look at the bigger picture, meaning his 167 game track record in the minors in which he hit .315 with 31 home runs 121 rbi and 116 runs." sounds like comparing 167 minor games translates to the majors. but that's just me interpretation.
i do agree that he deserves a high draft which is why i drafted him as my 5th pick (44th overall). but the question was 'is he dead weight' - meaning how will he perform going forward with his current condition.
but overall, good points chief.
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"4. but i still stand by minor league production does not = major league production. otherwise, it wouldn't be call the minor leagues. 5. "Ok, well then you can hold his rookie year against him while I look at the bigger picture, meaning his 167 game track record in the minors in which he hit .315 with 31 home runs 121 rbi and 116 runs." sounds like comparing 167 minor games translates to the majors. but that's just me interpretation."
Yes minor league production doesnt exactly translate into major league production. But as you said, he doesnt have a lot of major league experience so then we have to look at his minor league production. So then we look and he was a .300 hitter with some good pop. in the minors, has the pedigree of a 1st rounder outta FSU, and he had a "breakout year" during 2008. Whats not to like? Every level hes been at, he has shown he can HIT. You seem to be a Giants fan like myself. Have you not watched games last year of Giants vs Dbacks? From a first person perspective you can obviously tell he can hit.
"but the question was 'is he dead weight' - meaning how will he perform going forward with his current condition."
If he his healthy, he will hit the ball with authority. The only thing you can do is wait until he gets off DL and give him sometime to get things back in order.
If you are so set in your opinion that you will argue with those that have a differing opinion, then why ask for the opinions of others in the first place?
Go ahead and drop him. I wouldn't do it, but if you hate him then trust your own feeling and do it. If everyone in fantasy baseball had the same opinions and valuations of each player, the game would be pretty boring. But be prepared for another owner to grab him off waivers and for Drew to make Bartlett look like a tee-ball player.
RDD15 wrote:Go ahead and drop him. I wouldn't do it, but if you hate him then trust your own feeling and do it. If everyone in fantasy baseball had the same opinions and valuations of each player, the game would be pretty boring. But be prepared for another owner to grab him off waivers and for Drew to make Bartlett look like a tee-ball player.
Minor League Level does not equal Major League Level.
However, I'd take a chance on a guy who hit .312 in the Minors over one who hit .280 in the Minors, wouldn't you? It says he was overmatched his rookie year (that never happens (sarcasm)), and then came into his own his second year.
well his .238 12 hrs was his rookie campaign so, you can throw that out, he is a good hitter and as long as Bartlett keeps hitting grounders he will maintain his season, Dreww will be a little rusty when he comes back, but the second half I can see him make a comeback, so unless you can trade Drew for another player to help your roster I would keep him.
ike301 wrote: so you're saying minor league level = major league level. wow. there's not enough data to support yours either.
When did I ever say minor leagues = major league. The point is, he's got a track record of being a guy who's a good hitter. By holding a 24 year old's rookie season and saying, hey, he's a .230 hitter is not only uninformed, but it's unintelligent. His 2008 season coincides with his track record in the minor league system. When I've got 167 games of Minor League production and another 152 games of major league production on my side and you've got 150 games of a rookie adjusting to major league pitching, I've got far more evidence on my side of the argument. There's are a few reasons why Drew was drafted as a top 10 SS in fantasy leagues, being a .238 hitter wasnt one of them.
1. .238 wasn't his rookie season. '06 was. 2. i never held any season to be a predictor. that '12hr' statement was a retort only to shed light that one good year doesn't prove anything. and if i did take any prior season record as a predictor, i typically take a 3 year MLB average. hence my comment 'but not enough data (years) to make an assumption for this year.' 3. relax buddy, why do you think i created this post? to get some perspective. no need for name calling. 4. but i still stand by minor league production does not = major league production. otherwise, it wouldn't be call the minor leagues. 5. "Ok, well then you can hold his rookie year against him while I look at the bigger picture, meaning his 167 game track record in the minors in which he hit .315 with 31 home runs 121 rbi and 116 runs." sounds like comparing 167 minor games translates to the majors. but that's just me interpretation.
i do agree that he deserves a high draft which is why i drafted him as my 5th pick (44th overall). but the question was 'is he dead weight' - meaning how will he perform going forward with his current condition.
but overall, good points chief.
1. Fair enough, but you know what I meant. It was his first full season in the majors. 2. If you dont have enough major league data, then it is pretty typical for one to look at minor league pedigree. For instance, Bonifacio's hot start, he had NO track record of that type of production in the minors therefore many, including myself, said it wouldn't last. Drew however, HAS the track record and minor league pedigree behind him to dispute last years season being a fluke. 3. There was no name calling............. 4. You're just not getting the point. 5. Then it's a poor interpretation. Minor league production at that level usually doesn't translate to a .238 hitter.
Fact of the matter is this. Minor leagues, he showed he could flat out hit. His true rookie season, he hit well. His first full season in the majors, pitchers figured him out and he had trouble adjusting. 2008, Drew catches up to speed and produces. I dont know what difficult to understand about that. It happens with A LOT of major league hitters. Calling him dead weight because of 44 AB's in the 2008 season just doesn't make sense.
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by skones » Sun May 10, 2009 2:47 am 
