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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:48 pm

EugeneStyles wrote:
justinA wrote:well in my 14 team league, heres how it hammered out..

HR- 346 to 206, 140 difference
BA- .2891 to .2647, .0244 difference
Runs - 1278 to 972, 306 difference
RBI - 1284 to 972, 312 difference
SB - 227 to 56, 171 difference


These numbers seem pretty extreme for a 14-team lead. Are you telling me that the top team in HR's averaged more than 38 HR's for every single hitter? And the top SB team averaged over 25 SB's per player. For runs and RBI's they'd have to have averaged 142.


I am will to bet that these teams started 14-17 hitters.
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Postby ramble2 » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:50 pm

SHOCKandAWE wrote:$14 Javy Lopez
$14 Ivan Rodriguez
$11 Jorge Posada
$12 Mike Piazza
$9 Jason Kendall
*Funny how everone thinks that catchers are worth much more. Is the top catcher worth the same as the 50th best OF??


SHOCKandAWE, NICE job! I really like this way of valuing players. Very cool.

One comment though. Don't be lulled into complacency just because the absolute value of catchers is lower than other positions. What matters more is the replacement value of not getting one of the top players and settling for a lower ranked player. For example Getting I Rod rather than Kendall is a $5 difference, whereas getting, say, Sexson instead of Giambi is a $4 difference. So if the choice is between I Rod and Sexson or Giambi and Kendall, go with the first.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:06 pm

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SHOCKandAWE wrote:SHOCKandAWE, NICE job! I really like this way of valuing players. Very cool.

One comment though. Don't be lulled into complacency just because the absolute value of catchers is lower than other positions. What matters more is the replacement value of not getting one of the top players and settling for a lower ranked player. For example Getting I Rod rather than Kendall is a $5 difference, whereas getting, say, Sexson instead of Giambi is a $4 difference. So if the choice is between I Rod and Sexson or Giambi and Kendall, go with the first.


Then I ask you to conisder it this way as well.

Would you agree that most teams over pay for the catchers? Going into the draft if know their value isnt that much then try to go after positions that are very deep and ou will get bargains later i the draft. Assuming the top 5 catchers are have a total VALUE of $60 and the that they end up going for a total of $100. At an average of $20 each. This happens alot. That is $40 more than their worth. If you are patient you can use this knowledge later on when it comes to bargains. Just because the 50th OF player is projected at $14 doesnt mean that he will be had at that amount. If you adjust his value after the other teams over spent that menas that you will most likly get a player that is projected at $14 for $10.

To sum it all if you can identify the positions that people over pay for you can let them do that and seek out bargains elswhere.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:10 pm

To add one more thing. Taking catchers that platoon are sometimes better than a player who is a full time hitter. The reason is that it all about ATBATS.

Assuming you have 2 catchers both with an average of .260
I would rather have a catcher who hits 16 homers in 300 at atbats instead of a 20hr catcher with 400atbats
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Postby dannahann » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:16 pm

I'll warn you right off that most of these cats had tight bunchings and then huge gaps. The pointbreaks wouldn't have been evenly distrubuted.
RUNS 1088-852 (236)
RBI 1075-804 (271)
HR 307-213 (94)
SB 156-50 (106)
AVG .297-.273 (.024)

WIN 100-79 (21)
SVE 119-36 (83)
K's 1310-951 (359)
ERA 3.27-4.46 (1.19)
WHP 1.18-1.33 (.015)
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:19 pm

dannahann wrote:I'll warn you right off that most of these cats had tight bunchings and then huge gaps. The pointbreaks wouldn't have been evenly distrubuted.
RUNS 1088-852 (236)
RBI 1075-804 (271)
HR 307-213 (94)
SB 156-50 (106)
AVG .297-.273 (.024)

WIN 100-79 (21)
SVE 119-36 (83)
K's 1310-951 (359)
ERA 3.27-4.46 (1.19)
WHP 1.18-1.33 (.015)


Most of the time they aren't even. The most important is to find an average.

Can you please tell me how many teams are in your league. I need this number as well to figure it out.
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Postby dannahann » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:25 pm

SHOCKandAWE wrote:
dannahann wrote:I'll warn you right off that most of these cats had tight bunchings and then huge gaps. The pointbreaks wouldn't have been evenly distrubuted.
RUNS 1088-852 (236)
RBI 1075-804 (271)
HR 307-213 (94)
SB 156-50 (106)
AVG .297-.273 (.024)

WIN 100-79 (21)
SVE 119-36 (83)
K's 1310-951 (359)
ERA 3.27-4.46 (1.19)
WHP 1.18-1.33 (.015)


Most of the time they aren't even. The most important is to find an average.

Can you please tell me how many teams are in your league. I need this number as well to figure it out.


Sorry should've posted the non standard issues with our league:
10 team mixed (40 players per team)
the totals are so low and ratios so high because we don't start as many players as standard roto leagues...we only start 10 hitters ( 1 at each posn along with 3OF & 2 Util) and only 8 pitchers (5SP, 2RP, 1P)
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Postby ramble2 » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:38 pm

SHOCKandAWE wrote:
ramble2 wrote:
SHOCKandAWE wrote:SHOCKandAWE, NICE job! I really like this way of valuing players. Very cool.

One comment though. Don't be lulled into complacency just because the absolute value of catchers is lower than other positions. What matters more is the replacement value of not getting one of the top players and settling for a lower ranked player. For example Getting I Rod rather than Kendall is a $5 difference, whereas getting, say, Sexson instead of Giambi is a $4 difference. So if the choice is between I Rod and Sexson or Giambi and Kendall, go with the first.


Then I ask you to conisder it this way as well.

Would you agree that most teams over pay for the catchers? Going into the draft if know their value isnt that much then try to go after positions that are very deep and ou will get bargains later i the draft. Assuming the top 5 catchers are have a total VALUE of $60 and the that they end up going for a total of $100. At an average of $20 each. This happens alot. That is $40 more than their worth. If you are patient you can use this knowledge later on when it comes to bargains. Just because the 50th OF player is projected at $14 doesnt mean that he will be had at that amount. If you adjust his value after the other teams over spent that menas that you will most likly get a player that is projected at $14 for $10.

To sum it all if you can identify the positions that people over pay for you can let them do that and seek out bargains elswhere.


Yup, I agree (I think). I wasn't factoring in difference in auction price and worth - though that wasn't entirely my point. But the same thing, kinda, holds for drafts. Not worth wasting a really high pick on a top catcher, for analogous reasons.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:42 pm

dannahann

Your league's similiar to the 14 team league at the beginning of the thread. Here are your numbers:

It takes you the following to gain 1 point in that cat.

9 Homeruns
.0024 average
23 Runs
27 RBI
10 SB

.119 Era
36 K's
8 saves
2 wins
.015 Whip

Here are the numbers to gain 1 point in the 14 team league above:

10 Homeruns
.0017 average
21 Runs
22 RBI
12 SB

.061 Era
38 K's
7 Saves
3 Wins
.011 Whip


If anyone wants I can do their league for them. I am trying to compare as many leagues as possible
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:46 pm

Also...If you look at my above ratings you will see something that most fantasy owners don't realize.

Even though the average hitter is worth more than the average pitcher..people don't realize is that the player worth the most to any fantasy baseball team is the STUD pitcher who is slightly worth more than the STUD hitter.
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