8 player trade (Doc, Aram, and more) ! Need help fast WHiR!

[Magnus_CA]

12 Team Roto 5x5

I'm in 2nd place and behind in steals (why I want Damon) and saves (I'll make that up on my own).

His - Johnny Damon, Aramis Ramírez, Stephen Drew, Rich Harden

for My - Chris Davis, Michael Young, Ted Lilly, Roy Halladay

Should I pull the trigger?

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Yahoo 12 Team 5x5 Roto (non-keeper)

Batters
C - John Baker (Fla - C)
1B - Justin Morneau (Min - 1B)
2B - Aaron Hill (Tor - 2B)
3B - Chris Davis (Tex - 1B,3B)
SS - Michael Young (Tex - 3B,SS)
OF - Grady Sizemore (Cle - OF)
OF - Matt Holliday (Oak - OF)
OF - Nate McLouth (Pit - OF)
Util - Justin Upton (Ariz - OF)
BN - Matt LaPorta (Cle - OF)

Pitchers
SP - Roy Halladay (Tor - SP)
SP - CC Sabathia (NYY - SP)
RP - Jose Valverde (Hou - RP)
RP - Frank Francisco (Tex - RP)
P - Scott Downs (Tor - RP)
P - Joe Beimel (Was - RP)
P - David Aardsma (Sea - RP)
BN - Chris Billingsley (LAD - SP)
BN - James Shields (TB - SP)
BN - Phil Hughes (NYY - SP)
BN - Scott Baker (Min - SP)
BN - Ted Lilly (ChC - SP)

[bozack4813]

i would not pull the trigger Halladay is the best player in that deal while Harden is struggling talks he might be hurt i also think chris davis will have a good season even with the early season struggles

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[MadDog36]

Risky trade. Aramis I like him over Davis because he doesn't strike out no where near as much and is much more consistant. I think he'll finish with a much better BA and more RBI as well. I think power wise they will be pretty close.

Damon will get you some speed, but I think I'd look to FA to acquire some cheap speed (Anderson available?)

When healthy I consider Drew an upgrade over Young, but there are those that would disagree. I'm just talking about what he can provide across the board when healthy.

Halladay I'd rather have him over Harden by a slight to medium margin because he's one of the safest fantasy aces around. With Harden, there's always that risk he could go down at any time. I do however feel like you have a stacked staff and could afford the loss of halladay providing the upgrade at 3b is worth it. Personally this trade is close in my book.

You know your are a victim of circumstance. 3b RIGHT NOW is paper thin. Arod is hurt, Wright is struggling a bit, Huff doing ok, Cantu turned it on recently, Cab lost 3b elgibility in many leagues, Chipper is producing a solid clip but you never know with him. Longoria is pacing the position obviously and having an MVP season. I think his price tag is too high at this point. Leave this trade offer up, see if you can acquire Aramis from him with a different package. leave this trade offer up, if you cannot reach an agreement, I might as well do this deal because it will seriously upgrade your starting lineup.

If your keen on dealing Halladay I might try to move him for Aramis/closer combo. I see you have Beimel in your lineup as well as Valverde, but Jose got some bad news: he's going to be out at least antoher month, so you will want to take care of that.

[NittanyLions1]

I'm gonna agree with MadDog on this...try and get Aramis somehow else first and also try for cheap speed. Anderson is the best suggestion if he is available. I think you give too much up with Halladay and Lilly. I fully expect Harden to be injured again (if he isnt already). Overall though, I wouldnt be in too of a hurry to make a move like this...try someway else to improve on steals and upgrade at 3B first.

[Magnus_CA]

Risky trade. Aramis I like him over Davis because he doesn't strike out no where near as much and is much more consistant. I think he'll finish with a much better BA and more RBI as well. I think power wise they will be pretty close.

Damon will get you some speed, but I think I'd look to FA to acquire some cheap speed (Anderson available?)

When healthy I consider Drew an upgrade over Young, but there are those that would disagree. I'm just talking about what he can provide across the board when healthy.

Halladay I'd rather have him over Harden by a slight to medium margin because he's one of the safest fantasy aces around. With Harden, there's always that risk he could go down at any time. I do however feel like you have a stacked staff and could afford the loss of halladay providing the upgrade at 3b is worth it. Personally this trade is close in my book.

You know your are a victim of circumstance. 3b RIGHT NOW is paper thin. Arod is hurt, Wright is struggling a bit, Huff doing ok, Cantu turned it on recently, Cab lost 3b elgibility in many leagues, Chipper is producing a solid clip but you never know with him. Longoria is pacing the position obviously and having an MVP season. I think his price tag is too high at this point. Leave this trade offer up, see if you can acquire Aramis from him with a different package. leave this trade offer up, if you cannot reach an agreement, I might as well do this deal because it will seriously upgrade your starting lineup.

If your keen on dealing Halladay I might try to move him for Aramis/closer combo. I see you have Beimel in your lineup as well as Valverde, but Jose got some bad news: he's going to be out at least antoher month, so you will want to take care of that.

Thanks for the thorough reply. I agree with you on all accounts. This trade is annoyingly equal. I'm not surprised though, we've been going back and forth for some time now and this is the first offer I've gotten him to send to me. I like Aram over Davis and a healthy Drew over Young. Josh Anderson and Dexter Fowler and a couple other speedsters are available on the WW but I know Damon is like a throw in for the owner (Sox fan). This trade for me comes down to the 5-tool capability of an underrated Damon, the option of ridding myself of the master whiffer in Davis for an obvious upgrade, and the upside of a healthy Stephen Drew. Halladay is tough to give up and if I do so I'll have to rely more heavily on CC to turn it around, which I'm suspect at this point.

I've posted the other owner's roster below. He really doesn't have the closers to spare.

I have some alternatives, like asking for Lackey instead of Harden, and/or taking Drew and Young off the table, since Young is likely to secure a few more SB's.

His roster-

Batters
C - Mike Napoli (LAA - C)
1B - Kevin Youkilis (Bos - 1B,3B)
2B - Jose Lopez (Sea - 1B,2B)
3B - Mike Lowell (Bos - 3B)
SS - Jhonny Peralta (Cle - SS)
OF - Jacoby Ellsbury (Bos - OF)
OF - Johnny Damon (NYY - OF)
OF - Carlos Beltran (NYM - OF)
Util - Joey Votto (Cin - 1B)
BN - Aramis Ramirez (ChC - 3B)
BN - Stephen Drew (Ari - SS) DL
DL - Josh Hamilton (Tex - OF) DL

Pitchers
SP - Rich Harden (ChC - SP)
SP - --empty--
RP - Matt Lindstrom (Fla - RP)
RP - Ryan Franklin (StL - RP)
P - LaTroy Hawkins (Hou - RP)
P - --empty--
P - --empty--
BN - John Danks (CWS - SP)
BN - Jon Lester (Bos - SP)
BN - John Lackey (LAA - SP) DL
BN - B.J. Ryan (Tor - RP) DL
BN - Josh Beckett (Bos - SP)

[MadDog36]

CC has always been a slow starter far as I know. He'll turn it around.

[Magnus_CA]

WHiR's answered. Bump to the top.

[shoelessjoetara]

I would see if you could trade CC instead of Halladay. Billingsley looks to be the real deal and CC may have arm problems later on. He pitched a lot of innings last year and could become a problem later on.

[etex211]

Thanks for helping on mine.....

I wouldn't do this deal. I just think that you are giving up too much in Halladay, and I am not a fan of Drew at all.

[cstorms]

I am a huge fan of the Doc, so I say no. He is one of the best fantasy pitchers out there, and a great ace for your rotation. If you can get Aram another way do it, just hang onto Halladay.