Good Trade for me??? WHIR

[casem2k2]

In a 10 team 5x5 roto league.....r,hr,rbi,sb,avg

I trade J.Santana/F.Lewis(Bench player)/Verlander for M.Ordonez/F.Hernandez/Beltre...Or should I ask for Dunn over Ordonez..Or Should I stay put???

My lineup:
c pierzynski
c laird
1b A.gonzalez
2b polanco
3b reynolds
ss hanley
ci pujols
mi rollins
of holliday
of hamilton
of hart
of c.young
util jacobs
util k.johnson
b f.lewis, wieters, blake
DL Mora

sp j.santana
sp lilly
sp billingsley
sp verlander
rp percival
rp fuentes
p scherzer
p r.franklin
p ziegler
b buehrle, jered weaver, price, c.zambrano
DL e.santana

[bazzy_51]

i really hate to say yes give up Johan who is just flat out dominating... but... i think i would do this deal, you would then sure up your OF by adding a great vet bat, not to mention have some backup in Beltre for when Reynolds comes back down a bit (and can still play Beltre at Util) not to mention King Felix isn't too bad himself... Verlander i have never had faith in and hes showing why at the start of this year, i think he will turn it back around but not to the heights of 2 years ago and Lewis is just a throw in... i think i make this deal as you swing basically 2 starters for 3 and sure up a position of concern for your team without losing a big bat...

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[forrestk]

Yes, I would do that trade. Believe it or not, Felix Hernandez is not that far behind Johan Santana. Ordonez and Beltre together are better than Fred Lewis and Justin Verlander. Pull the trigger!

[casem2k2]

can i please get some more help?

[twistedude]

I hate to go against the grain here, but I really wouldn't do this deal. Johan is by FAR the best player in this deal. Felix is so inconsistent, who knows if he'll put it all together this year. And Ordonez is on the decline big time - his power numbers are going to underwhelm you this year, mark my words.

REJECT!

Here's mine, thanks in advance for your help: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=380740&p=3047147#p3047147

[casem2k2]

Updated posting

[cdawg4343]

I would do it. Santana is not that much better than Felix, esp. when he pitches like he did last night. Maggs and Beltre are upgrades to what you have now and you have good depth at the starter position.

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[Holein1]

Dont do it. Verlander is about to turn the corner and santana is great. You are losing that deal

Read this (I found it on fantasybaseball365.com)

Apparently not everything that happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. I brought home a stuffy nose and sore throat. Justin Verlander seems to have brought his control problems of 2008 with him over his first few starts of 2009. However, he has also added back his velocity lost in 2008 and has been striking out over 10 per 9 IP. With a BABIP of .412, is it time to buy low on Verlander?

I love pitchers who miss bats. The problem is that only the elite miss bats while limiting walks. These are the pitchers that usually go way too early in the draft for my taste. I like to focus on the pitchers who are just a control adjustment away from really hitting it big time. See for example: Jonathan Sanchez and Oliver Perez. Thus far in 2009, neither of those two have taken their game to the next level. Verlander has had that high level of success in the past and simply needs to find his way back there once again. He is pitching much better than both Sanchez and Perez, but his ERA certainly does not reflect it.





Verlander is the one getting himself into trouble. However, he has made some really good pitches in those situations that have just found a hole. For example, last night against the Angels with runners at first and second, Verlander gets two strikes on Torii Hunter then paints the black (or slightly off the black) with a 95 mph fastball. Hunter does what he can with two strikes and hits a two hopper to what would have been directly at the secondbaseman. The problem was that the infield was in double play depth and the ball weakly rolled through for a base hit, allowing a run to score.

Here's how Verlander stacks up to other pitchers with similar strikeout rates.





The difference in ERA between Verlander and Davies speaks volumes. Also take into account that hitters are swinging at more pitches out of the strike zone and making less contact on Verlander than his career averages. All of this of course does not guarantee anything. Verlander still needs to avoid the big inning and decrease his walk rate. It does go to show that if you buy Verlander for 10 cents on the dollar, you could walk away with a tremendous bargain.


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