A guy in my league is really willing to deal with me, and he's made some dumb moves in the past, but he's really being difficult in these negotiations. I'm going to our respective rosters; any ideas on where we match up for a trade?
Update: The guy has now countered with his "final offer," this deal: Halladay, Youkilis and Kendry Morales for Johan Santana and Corey Hart
He began by offering: Halladay, Youkilis and Burrell for Santana and Beltran, but I obviously balked at that. I countered asking for something substantially more, but he wrote back with this: "I'm wondering if there's any way at all i can get Johan and Beltran without parting with Billingsley or Hanley. Everyone else on my team is on the block..."
So, I guess the questions becomes, is there a way to do this and still make out good?
My team: C Bengie Molina 1B Adrian Gonzalez 2B Mark DeRosa SS Michael Young 3B Garret Atkins OF Carlos Beltran OF Corey Hart OF Adam Dunn (1B Eligible) UT Jayson Werth Bench: Mike Napoli, Billy Butler, Aaron Hill, Ryan Theriot, Johnny Damon, Cody Ross, Colby Rasmus (still eligible for minors)
SP (Start 5) Johan Santana, Chris Young, Kevin Slowey, Wandy Rodriguez, Oliver Perez RP (Start 3) Joe Nathan, Joakim Soria, Heath Bell Bench: Mark Buehrle, Paul Maholm
His Team: C Jorge Posada 1B Kevin Youkilis 2B Akinori Iwamura SS Hanley Ramirez 3B Ryan Zimmerman OF Kosuke Fukudome OF Wily Taveras OF Chase Headley UT Jason Kubel Bench: Hank Blalock, Josh Fields, Nyger Morgan, Pat Burrell, Kendry Morales, Randy Winn, Jordan Schafer (still eligible for minors)
SP (Start 5) Roy Hallada, Chad Billingsley, AJ Burnett, Gavin Floyd, Cliff Lee RP (Start 3) Jonathan Papelbon, Jose Valverde, Kerry Wood Bench: Brad Penny, Ben Sheets
Minor Leagues: Kyle Blanks (1B-SD), Matt Dominguez (3B-Fla), Alcides Escobar (SS-Mil), Wilmer Flores (3B-NYNL), Jonathan Niese (SP-NYNL)
6x6 weekly HtH 14 team roto keeper (between 5 and 10 keepers (no time limits or costs), losing a draft pick for each after 5) Offensive Categories: BA, OPS, RBI, HR, SB and Runs Scored. Pitching Categories: W, S, ERA, K/IP, Quality Starts minus Losses, and WHIP Minors: 5 "free" keepers. These players if are eligible to be kept without the loss of a draft pick and in addition to the max of 10. They must have under 200 Ab or less than 75 IP and 20 APP.
Waiver Wire: Hitters: Mike Jacobs (1B), Asdrubal Cabrera (2B), Dallas McPherson (3B), Russel Branyan (3B), Aaron Rowand (OF), Pitchers: Nick Blackburn, Dave Bush, Shairon Martis, Doug Davis, Jorge De La Rosa, Cha Seung Baek, David Aardsma, Jamie Moyer
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Last edited by plapre3 on Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
What do you think of Halladay, Billingsly and Youkilis for Santana, Chris Young and Beltran.
You will lose steals in Beltran, but HR and RBI will be even with Youk and you'll gain average. Santana is great, but Halladay is just below him and you're jumping from Young (so-so) to Billingsly, who could be a Cy Young contender in a year or two...but has a great upside this year. Nice park, weak hitting division, good offensive team.
I really like Da Rook's idea. You may even be better off with Halladay and Billingsley instead of Johan. You only downgrade one cat (SB) but likely impove all your pitching. If you can get hin to do this deal, you win.
Thanks for the help. I'd say you shouldn't worry about dealing Beltran here. He apparently has a sore quad, and has barely attempted a steal. The one game I actually saw him run, it turned into a pseudo hit-and-run and he got doubled up. Beltran, Santana and Chris Young for Billingsley, Halladay and Youk? You kidding me? Propose that deal right now. Billingsley has ace stuff on a team with a good lineup, Halladay is always an ace and Youk has the stuff to follow up his monster year with another one. You would get tighter in the infield and you have the outfield depth with Werth and Ross to withstand the loss right now. You get a huge upgrade over Young and only lose a little of Santana like the other guy said. Your only worry should be the injury risk with Halladay but that's always a risk and you should take it.
If he's not willing to deal Bills or Han-Ram, I don't see a good deal here. He's trying to get your 1st AND 2nd round picks for crying out loud. I'm not optimistic of you trading with this guy. Anyway, sounds like he needs the deal more than you.
A trade is usually only successful if both parties are giving up something. I typically only like to trade from a position of strength and have my strength be another guy's weakness. I dont' like that you can't even touch Han-Ram or Bills and he is asking for arguably your best player. I agree with another poster that he needs the trade more than you. The difficult thing is that your team is pretty solid across the board. I was looking and the only people (minus Hanley and Chad) from his team would be Halladay, Papelbon, and Youk. You really don't need Papelbon as you have 3 decent closers. Halladay and Youk would be nice. You could put Youk at 3rd and move Atkins out, but I don't think that's worth losing Santana. I would sit pat.