Where do we match up? Johan, Beltran, Halladay, Youk - WHIR

[plapre3]

A guy in my league is really willing to deal with me, and he's made some dumb moves in the past, but he's really being difficult in these negotiations. I'm going to our respective rosters; any ideas on where we match up for a trade?

Update: The guy has now countered with his "final offer," this deal:
Halladay, Youkilis and Kendry Morales for Johan Santana and Corey Hart

He began by offering: Halladay, Youkilis and Burrell for Santana and Beltran, but I obviously balked at that. I countered asking for something substantially more, but he wrote back with this: "I'm wondering if there's any way at all i can get Johan and Beltran without parting with Billingsley or Hanley. Everyone else on my team is on the block..."

So, I guess the questions becomes, is there a way to do this and still make out good?

My team:
C Bengie Molina
1B Adrian Gonzalez
2B Mark DeRosa
SS Michael Young
3B Garret Atkins
OF Carlos Beltran
OF Corey Hart
OF Adam Dunn (1B Eligible)
UT Jayson Werth
Bench: Mike Napoli, Billy Butler, Aaron Hill, Ryan Theriot, Johnny Damon, Cody Ross, Colby Rasmus (still eligible for minors)

SP (Start 5) Johan Santana, Chris Young, Kevin Slowey, Wandy Rodriguez, Oliver Perez
RP (Start 3) Joe Nathan, Joakim Soria, Heath Bell
Bench: Mark Buehrle, Paul Maholm

His Team:
C Jorge Posada
1B Kevin Youkilis
2B Akinori Iwamura
SS Hanley Ramirez
3B Ryan Zimmerman
OF Kosuke Fukudome
OF Wily Taveras
OF Chase Headley
UT Jason Kubel
Bench: Hank Blalock, Josh Fields, Nyger Morgan, Pat Burrell, Kendry Morales, Randy Winn, Jordan Schafer (still eligible for minors)

SP (Start 5) Roy Hallada, Chad Billingsley, AJ Burnett, Gavin Floyd, Cliff Lee
RP (Start 3) Jonathan Papelbon, Jose Valverde, Kerry Wood
Bench: Brad Penny, Ben Sheets

Minor Leagues: Kyle Blanks (1B-SD), Matt Dominguez (3B-Fla), Alcides Escobar (SS-Mil), Wilmer Flores (3B-NYNL), Jonathan Niese (SP-NYNL)

6x6 weekly HtH 14 team roto keeper (between 5 and 10 keepers (no time limits or costs), losing a draft pick for each after 5)
Offensive Categories: BA, OPS, RBI, HR, SB and Runs Scored.
Pitching Categories: W, S, ERA, K/IP, Quality Starts minus Losses, and WHIP
Minors: 5 "free" keepers. These players if are eligible to be kept without the loss of a draft pick and in addition to the max of 10. They must have under 200 Ab or less than 75 IP and 20 APP.

Waiver Wire:
Hitters: Mike Jacobs (1B), Asdrubal Cabrera (2B), Dallas McPherson (3B), Russel Branyan (3B), Aaron Rowand (OF),
Pitchers: Nick Blackburn, Dave Bush, Shairon Martis, Doug Davis, Jorge De La Rosa, Cha Seung Baek, David Aardsma, Jamie Moyer

Thank you all in advance and as always, leave a link.

[Carnac]

He needs the trade much more than you do. Unless he is willing to budge, stand pat.

HIs outfield is not good. Upgrade to Beltran is huge for him. You need more value back.

Play hardball with him.

good luck

[Da Rook]

What do you think of Halladay, Billingsly and Youkilis for Santana, Chris Young and Beltran.

You will lose steals in Beltran, but HR and RBI will be even with Youk and you'll gain average. Santana is great, but Halladay is just below him and you're jumping from Young (so-so) to Billingsly, who could be a Cy Young contender in a year or two...but has a great upside this year. Nice park, weak hitting division, good offensive team.

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[lyons595]

I really like Da Rook's idea. You may even be better off with Halladay and Billingsley instead of Johan. You only downgrade one cat (SB) but likely impove all your pitching.
If you can get hin to do this deal, you win.

[jmcampbe11]

If he's not willing to trade Hanley then I'd say no thank you. Something like Hanley/Halladay for Johan/Beltran would be the ONLY thing I'd consider.

[Dave8603]

Thanks for the help. I'd say you shouldn't worry about dealing Beltran here. He apparently has a sore quad, and has barely attempted a steal. The one game I actually saw him run, it turned into a pseudo hit-and-run and he got doubled up. Beltran, Santana and Chris Young for Billingsley, Halladay and Youk? You kidding me? Propose that deal right now. Billingsley has ace stuff on a team with a good lineup, Halladay is always an ace and Youk has the stuff to follow up his monster year with another one. You would get tighter in the infield and you have the outfield depth with Werth and Ross to withstand the loss right now. You get a huge upgrade over Young and only lose a little of Santana like the other guy said. Your only worry should be the injury risk with Halladay but that's always a risk and you should take it.

[philaphan]

I agree with the Da Rook too. Halladay/Bills is much better than Johna /Young. Yes Beltran is better than Youk but the difference is the better pitching you would be getting makes up for that!

Thanks for the help with mine!

[Kdog69]

I'd totally do the Halladay/Billingsley,Youk deal if you could swing it.

If he balks, too bad for him.

Good luck

[schmidty]

If he's not willing to deal Bills or Han-Ram, I don't see a good deal here. He's trying to get your 1st AND 2nd round picks for crying out loud. I'm not optimistic of you trading with this guy. Anyway, sounds like he needs the deal more than you.

[jase218]

A trade is usually only successful if both parties are giving up something. I typically only like to trade from a position of strength and have my strength be another guy's weakness. I dont' like that you can't even touch Han-Ram or Bills and he is asking for arguably your best player. I agree with another poster that he needs the trade more than you. The difficult thing is that your team is pretty solid across the board. I was looking and the only people (minus Hanley and Chad) from his team would be Halladay, Papelbon, and Youk. You really don't need Papelbon as you have 3 decent closers. Halladay and Youk would be nice. You could put Youk at 3rd and move Atkins out, but I don't think that's worth losing Santana. I would sit pat.