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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Neato Torpedo » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:56 pm

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Matthias wrote:It doesn't... I'm not trying to imply you were a Palin supporter. I'm saying that your characterization of Obama supporters as massively uninformed and blindly supporting someone isn't unique, even in the context of this same election.


knapplc wrote:I do not entirely disagree with your earlier post about the electorate hyped up on "Hopium." The only caveat I can offer to that is the starry-eyed believers we see at every single DNC/RNC every election cycle. Maybe there were more of those kinds of people in this election than in others, but percentages aside, none of what you're saying is unique to Obama supporters or the most recent election.


I fully acknowledged that blind support wasn't unique to Obama supporters. What has been unique in my view was the quantity, volume, and intellectually vacant certainty and self-righteousness relative to anything else I've experienced.

Pretty sure Bush had higher approval rates after 9/11. Don't act like this is anything even close to new.
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Madison » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:40 am

urbanbreez wrote:Someone with such massive faith in government (I assume you must have since you have no problem with the monitoring of your personal conversations without just cause) should swear by the checks and balances provided by these three branches operating independently.


I assume you mean me? The checks and balances are there, people are way, way too paranoid for my taste is all. If that paranoia is spreading, I guess I should start up a tin foil hat business and cash in. :-b

urbanbreez wrote:Namely, Afghanistan should have been bombed back to the Neolithic era.


Totally agree. ;-D

urbanbreez wrote:And your stance on torture is ridiculous. Not one valuable piece of information was gained at Gitmo or in Pakistan


Seems you misunderstood. I never said torture worked, I simply said that if it needed to be done, I wasn't going to speak out against it. I actually agree that in a lot of cases, torture won't/wouldn't lead to anything useful.

Matthias wrote:So you don't really care about Constitutional rights is what you're saying. Which is fine, different people have different beliefs on the proper relationship of the individual to the sovereign, just don't present yourself as a small-government libertarian because that's not whose tent you're under.


I do care about constitutional rights, but at the same time I'm not going to don a tin foil hat and run around thinking, saying, or acting like the government is out to get me. :-b

I present myself as me. One of these days you'll learn I don't play kiddie games. If I were a Republican, I'd say it. If I were a Democrat, I'd say it. If I were a "small-government libertarian", I'd say it. If I was under anyone's tent, I'd say that. My biggest fault other than talking too much, is simply being too direct. And even with that, people still try to "read into", "assume", or "guess" as to what I mean, yet I say exactly what I mean. No clue why that's so hard for some people to understand, but it is always amusing. :-b
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby RugbyD » Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:34 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:Yes I will raise a stink about it but I don't plan to get violent about things I'm passionate about. I plan to act under lawful channels, gather support, carry signs, pester government officials with petitions, get news time, write articles, convince people that disagree, and inform those that don't know enough.

Call me back when someone gets arrested for having a camera near a government building under the Obama administration's rules.

Lots of people in Venezuela probably said the same thing after Chavez was democratically elected. Oopsie. Democracies collapse incrementally, not in a day.

Pretty sure Bush had higher approval rates after 9/11. Don't act like this is anything even close to new.

This is a completely different scenario. It has nothing to do with elections.
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:20 pm

RugbyD wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:Yes I will raise a stink about it but I don't plan to get violent about things I'm passionate about. I plan to act under lawful channels, gather support, carry signs, pester government officials with petitions, get news time, write articles, convince people that disagree, and inform those that don't know enough.

Call me back when someone gets arrested for having a camera near a government building under the Obama administration's rules.

Lots of people in Venezuela probably said the same thing after Chavez was democratically elected. Oopsie. Democracies collapse incrementally, not in a day.

They're also fixed incrementally, not in a day by violent overthrow or some kind of magic bullet.

RugbyD wrote:
Pretty sure Bush had higher approval rates after 9/11. Don't act like this is anything even close to new.

This is a completely different scenario. It has nothing to do with elections.

LOL so popular support for Bush is different from semi-popular support for Obama how? Right now people are probably evenly split between passionate hatred, passionate support, and tentative approval. In the few months after 9/11 I think like 80% of the country was passionately pulling for Bush. Support for Reagan was much, much higher than for Obama. Again, get over it; supporters making posters and latching on to a campaign slogan is nothing new.
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:13 pm

Actually I like how righties are getting pissed about this. Maybe this will spur the removal of the Bush administration policies because they apply to everyone now.
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Art Vandelay » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:35 pm

I listen to way too much talk radio, which obviously is predominately right-wing. It's funny to me how the hosts and most of the callers are making this out as if everyone who is registered as a Republican is going to be under government surveillance now, and how offended they seem to be that the report names former military members with extremist beliefs as a possible risk. I mean, why would we ever want to keep tabs on someone like that? It's not as if they would ever do anything bad, right? Oh, wait.
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The whole thing is silly to me. It's a non-story that has been blown way out of proportion. Extremist groups and individuals on all sides have been monitored forever. This is nothing new, it's just new spin.
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Amazinz » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:39 pm

Not my words but here's a pretty good summary of this leaked propaganda by Obama's administration: We're guessing bad people will do bad things because the economy is bad and the president is black. But we have no real evidence.
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:55 pm

Amazinz wrote:Not my words but here's a pretty good summary of this leaked propaganda by Obama's administration: We're guessing bad people will do bad things because the economy is bad and the president is black. But we have no real evidence.

Hey, it's a step up from the Bush administration that didn't specify that it had to be bad people that might do bad things. :-b
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby Amazinz » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:17 am

Is it? That's awesome Obama is winning.
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Re: Right-wing Americans now considered potential terrorist

Postby AussieDodger » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:51 am

Amazinz wrote:Is it? That's awesome Obama is winning.


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