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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby Another Blown Save » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:25 pm

How do you people feel about K-Rod's chances?
He already has 200+ saves at the age of 27 and if he stays healthy, he should have a chance to break Hoffman's record.
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby thedude » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:47 pm

For the middleaged guys, Santana is the front runner. I would say chances are pretty good that he makes it.

Other possibilities include:
Sabathia,
Oswalt,
Halladay
Webb
Peavy
Beckett


Peavy, Webb and Beckett (especially Beckett) need to add some more to their resumes before they can start thinking about the hall of fame.
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby 405z06 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:27 pm

Nerfherders wrote:Trevor Hoffman and Mariano Rivera will make the HoF. Smoltz, Glavine, and probably Randy Johnson.


Probably Randy Johnson? LOL. 5 Cy Youngs, almost 5K SO's and 300 wins. Probably.
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby Mortician » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:49 pm

Matt Riley?
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby Tis » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:04 pm

Pedro should probably technically be included with the Maddux/Randy/Glavine crowd... not the long time consistency, but some amazing numbers for a shorter number of years, and might pitch again.

And the tragedy of this discussion in recent years is Clemens. Both statistical approaches put him in the top 5 Ever... but with roids (give the man his due, he was amazing Pre-roid era) and other disturbing revelations, he's in a Bonds/McGuire situation.
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby auclairkeithbc » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:25 pm

Tis wrote:Pedro should probably technically be included with the Maddux/Randy/Glavine crowd...


Yes Pedro is in that crowd. But Glavine is not in that tier. Randy, Pedro, Maddux, (and Clemens) were the truly elite pitchers of that generation. Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, and whoever else, is in the next tier.
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby CubsFan7724 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:33 pm

mweir145 wrote:
thatdamtom wrote:
mweir145 wrote:Johan Santana:
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 72 (158), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 36 (89), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Roy Halladay:
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 73 (156), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 31 (133), Average HOFer ≈ 50

Roy Oswalt:
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 55 (225), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 32 (125), Average HOFer ≈ 50

CC Sabathia:
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 47 (277), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 21 (264), Average HOFer ≈ 50


What does that mean?

My bad: http://www.baseball-reference.com/about ... of_monitor

Basically, these guys still have a long way to go.

No kidding. Most of them still have plenty of career left too.

Johan has been nasty since 2002, and he's only 30. By the end of his career, barring injury, he's probably a lock. There hasn't been a better pitcher this decade (though Pedro Martinez was better in the first half of the decade.)
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby Yanks_Baby » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:36 pm

I'm a Homer, and it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. But I'd say Felix has the best shot if he can get out of that poisonous seattle some time soon.
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby Yanks_Baby » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:40 pm

Grounded Polo wrote:The current best pitchers really need to do something in the postseason to bump up their odds. Halladay has never thrown a game in the playoffs, Johan has been a non-factor, CC has been terrible, Oswalt was good in the 2005 NLCS and hasn't been in a few years, and both Webb/Peavy haven't done anything. Not that it's their fault but it's a bit funny how pitching wins championships and all of the best and well established pitchers in the game today are never there.

Not saying you're wrong, just saying it's so flawed that one month out of a year can make or break a HoFer. Really? The fact that Johan's team has always sucked should prevent him from being acknowledged as dominant? On the same note, the fact that Schilling got hot every october means he's a first ballot HoFer?
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Re: Which if any current pitcher makes the HOF?

Postby Yanks_Baby » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:42 pm

Tis wrote:Pedro should probably technically be included with the Maddux/Randy/Glavine crowd... not the long time consistency, but some amazing numbers for a shorter number of years, and might pitch again.

And the tragedy of this discussion in recent years is Clemens. Both statistical approaches put him in the top 5 Ever... but with roids (give the man his due, he was amazing Pre-roid era) and other disturbing revelations, he's in a Bonds/McGuire situation.

ON the HoF metrics posted, with 100 being a probable HoFer, Pedro's like 400. I'd say he's a safe bet. lol
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