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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby ayebatter » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:15 pm

A. Beltran is a stud.

Marlins were dumping salary and were willing to wait on youth, Boston wanted an ace, hence trade.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby JMB05 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:26 pm

Yoda wrote:A
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wash since a lot of baseball people believed that Hanley would become an absolute stud



Even I knew that Hanley was the only reason they male this trade. So it is a wash because they were dumping salary AND had to have Hanley as the cornerstone.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby walkoffblast » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:53 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
walkoffblast wrote:Also someone stated Hanley is bad defensively. I used to think that as well mostly because we heard about it a lot but I read some interesting stuff this offseason and it appears that reputation is greatly exaggerated because of one terrible season.

UZR/150
2006: -6.0
2007: -20.9
2008: -0.6

Even if you take out 2007, he still has a -3.3 career UZR/150, which is slightly below average. He's not bad defensively, but he's not especially good either, so it shouldn't count as one of his tools.


I do not think Hanley is 5-tool either. I was merely saying he is not as bad defensively as the rep he got from that one bad year. There seems to be a popular belief floating around that he should or is going to have to move off of shortstop sooner than later because of his defense is terrible there and its not true most likely.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby auclairkeithbc » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:33 am

walkoffblast wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:
walkoffblast wrote:Also someone stated Hanley is bad defensively. I used to think that as well mostly because we heard about it a lot but I read some interesting stuff this offseason and it appears that reputation is greatly exaggerated because of one terrible season.

UZR/150
2006: -6.0
2007: -20.9
2008: -0.6

Even if you take out 2007, he still has a -3.3 career UZR/150, which is slightly below average. He's not bad defensively, but he's not especially good either, so it shouldn't count as one of his tools.


I do not think Hanley is 5-tool either. I was merely saying he is not as bad defensively as the rep he got from that one bad year. There seems to be a popular belief floating around that he should or is going to have to move off of shortstop sooner than later because of his defense is terrible there and its not true most likely.


Well, he should stick at SS, as long as he doesn't get older. Or bigger.
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